Why I Am A Futurist

[mfblume]

Good Samaritan,

Did you ever consider how the entire concept of a future tribulation period around which the rapture is supposed to occur to drop people into three categories... pre trib rapture, mid trib rapture or post trib rapture... is entirely based upon a mythical GAP between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel? And yet Daniel 9 mentions NOTHING ABOUT IT!

In fact, Daniel was told there would be 70 weeks... 490 years... in which God would do six things. And without a note about any GAP inserted ANYWHERE in the weeks, futurism comes waltzing along and says two thousand years plus has been inserted between the 69th and 70th weeks.

That's like me telling you that I will see yo in four weeks, and insert ten years between the 3rd and 4th weeks without telling you!

The simple truth is there was no gap.

Daniel 9:25-27 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

After the 62 plus 7 weeks (69) MESSIAH WOULD COME. Jesus came! in the midst of the 70th week, he would be CUT OFF but not for Himself. That means His life would be cut short, for OUR salvation. He, NOT ANTICHRIST, would CONFIRM, NOT CREATE, a covenant with Israel for ONE WEEK. CONFIRM that is.

And what happened, Jesus died 3.5 years after He came preaching - in the midst of the 70th week -- and caused sacrifices to CEASE by being the last sacrifice God would ever accept, and 3.5 years after that, the FIRST GENTILES CAME IN in Acts 10, ensuring that the entire 70 weeks were FOR ISRAEL.

The New Testament uses these terms and shows they were fulfilled!

Hebrews 10:1-2 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

And

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

futurists says the HE in Dan 9:27 is antichrist, and yet whoever it is CONFIRMS not CREATES a covenant, with necessity for the antichrist to CREATE one if it IS antichrist this is speaking about. But when you read verses 28-29 you see the MESSIAH is the subject and was the HE who confirmed the covenant. Futurism has that so messed up I cannot begin to describe it.

And the six things God did in the seventy weeks are as follows:

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

JESUS DID ALL OF THAT ALREADY!

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

It's all right there!

[mfblume]

So if "guns are blazing" it is because its almost if not impossible to now mention prophecy without you, Dom or others taking over the thread.

Right. We get challenged and accusations made about us, an entire thread intended to challenge our beliefs, and when we respond we get accused of taking over.



Stop talking about our beliefs, then. If you don't want us to respond and keep answering challenges, stop challenging our belief. lol Otherwise, sit down, close your yap, and enjoy the ride! lol (quip said in good fun)

I mean the thread is ENTITLED WHY I AM A FUTURIST. That is in direct challenge against preterist which means PAST. And you reflect on what we said and complain about us being here. You based your thread about a contrast between you and US.

Your very first [post said

since all this happened in 70 AD WHO ARE WE? It seems as if all of us Christians since 70 ad got LEFT BEHIND!

What if we started a thread about why we are not post trib. Don't you think you would join in the chat??????

You just saw us making good points, saw people starting to agree, and could not sit still. You immediately tried to rectify the problem by making our belief look stupid to discourage any interest. Admit it.

Well, it backfired once again. Keep up the good work!

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Right. We get challenged and accusations made about us, an entire thread intended to challenge our beliefs, and when we respond we get accused of taking over.



Stop talking about our beliefs, then. If you don't want us to respond and keep answering challenges, stop challenging our belief. lol Otherwise, sit down, close your yap, and enjoy the ride! lol (quip said in good fun)

I mean the thread is ENTITLED WHY I AM A FUTURIST. That is in direct challenge against preterist which means PAST. And you reflect on what we said and complain about us being here. You based your thread about a contrast between you and US.

Your very first [post said



What if we started a thread about why we are not post trib. Don't you think you would join in the chat??????

You just saw us making good points, saw people starting to agree, and could not sit still. You immediately tried to rectify the problem by making our belief look stupid to discourage any interest. Admit it.

Well, it backfired once again. Keep up the good work!

Technically you are post trib. You believe the trib was A.D. 70 and the church went through it. Honestly your belief doesn't bother me any nor does it change anything for me. I have always felt that the Lord could come any day. Matter of fact I hope not to go through a great trib., but I'll try and be ready for anything. The dangers of a post trib. futurists is that they can look so far forward that they aren't prepared for the Lord's return. I have heard pre trib sinners say that they think they will be saved during a great trib by refusing the mark of the beast and that is stupid to think. This partial preterism belief makes some intelligent points although I am not sold on anything either way, but full preterism if I understand it correctly now that is a hopeless theological view.

[Bowas]

Some have in times past questioned how to or even question the concept of strict adherence of letting scripture interpret scripture.

What Bro Blume has done here is a perfect example how one accomplishes that instead of just letting ones imagination run wild as to what the scriptures apparently or even must mean, as it only matters what the scriptures in fact do mean.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Good Samaritan,

Did you ever consider how the entire concept of a future tribulation period around which the rapture is supposed to occur to drop people into three categories... pre trib rapture, mid trib rapture or post trib rapture... is entirely based upon a mythical GAP between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel? And yet Daniel 9 mentions NOTHING ABOUT IT!

In fact, Daniel was told there would be 70 weeks... 490 years... in which God would do six things. And without a note about any GAP inserted ANYWHERE in the weeks, futurism comes waltzing along and says two thousand years plus has been inserted between the 69th and 70th weeks.

That's like me telling you that I will see yo in four weeks, and insert ten years between the 3rd and 4th weeks without telling you!

The simple truth is there was no gap.

Daniel 9:25-27 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. (26) And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. (27) And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

After the 62 plus 7 weeks (69) MESSIAH WOULD COME. Jesus came! in the midst of the 70th week, he would be CUT OFF but not for Himself. That means His life would be cut short, for OUR salvation. He, NOT ANTICHRIST, would CONFIRM, NOT CREATE, a covenant with Israel for ONE WEEK. CONFIRM that is.

And what happened, Jesus died 3.5 years after He came preaching - in the midst of the 70th week -- and caused sacrifices to CEASE by being the last sacrifice God would ever accept, and 3.5 years after that, the FIRST GENTILES CAME IN in Acts 10, ensuring that the entire 70 weeks were FOR ISRAEL.

The New Testament uses these terms and shows they were fulfilled!

Hebrews 10:1-2 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

And

Galatians 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

futurists says the HE in Dan 9:27 is antichrist, and yet whoever it is CONFIRMS not CREATES a covenant, with necessity for the antichrist to CREATE one if it IS antichrist this is speaking about. But when you read verses 28-29 you see the MESSIAH is the subject and was the HE who confirmed the covenant. Futurism has that so messed up I cannot begin to describe it.

And the six things God did in the seventy weeks are as follows:

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

JESUS DID ALL OF THAT ALREADY!

2 Corinthians 5:18 And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Hebrews 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Romans 5:17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

It's all right there!