Why I Am A Futurist

[mfblume]

It's always good to read and hear various views.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It's always good to read and hear various views.

Yes indeed.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

It's always good to read and hear various views.

Ok I have read both of those links. Now how about a link that explains Daniel 11:31 unto the end of the book?

[mfblume]

Daniel 11:21-45 is The life and acts of Antiochus Epiphanes

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Daniel 11:21-45 is The life and acts of Antiochus Epiphanes

Really? And where can we read how he fulfilled these things?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Really? And where can we read how he fulfilled these things?

Check the history books. It's all there. Even the Macabbean books

[mfblume]

Check this out, MTD.

http://www.julianspriggs.com/Pages/A...Epiphanes.aspx

The books of Maccabees are not inspired, but they are in some instances VERY good histories.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Check this out, MTD.

http://www.julianspriggs.com/Pages/A...Epiphanes.aspx

The books of Maccabees are not inspired, but they are in some instances VERY good histories.

Ever notice how Preterists read into history books the way they accuse Futurists of reading into newspaper headlines? lol

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Daniel 11:21-45 is The life and acts of Antiochus Epiphanes

Well if these things are historically accurate it certainly would put another light on the subject. It would "seem" to fulfill Dan 11. Yet it would also be disturbing.

We would have Jesus prophesying telling us to watch for what Daniel the prophet said about the "abomination of desolation" when it HAD ALREADY OCCURED 200 YEARS EARLIER!

HUH?

Then also if chapter 11 depicts Antiochius chapter 12 should be the logical follow through.

So then THIS should have occured in HIS TIME.

1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan. 12:2

So we know (I hope) that the resurrection did not happen 200 years before Jesus came to the Earth.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Well if these things are historically accurate it certainly would put another light on the subject. It would "seem" to fulfill Dan 11. Yet it would also be disturbing.

We would have Jesus prophesying telling us to watch for what Daniel the prophet said about the "abomination of desolation" when it HAD ALREADY OCCURED 200 YEARS EARLIER!

Very good observation.

Actually the website I referenced, if memory serves me well, noted there was a similar event to occur again. The key is that Dan 9 is not about Antiochus, just Dan 11. Dan 9:27 is about the future from Christ's day.

HUH?

Then also if chapter 11 depicts Antiochius chapter 12 should be the logical follow through.

So then THIS should have occured in HIS TIME.

1And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. 2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Dan. 12:2

So we know (I hope) that the resurrection did not happen 200 years before Jesus came to the Earth.

Another good one!

Albert Barnes actually said that was the case, but not a physical resurrection. And the resurrection there may not necessarily be about physical resurrection. Salvation is called a resurrection in Romans 6:13.

We have to keep in mind that Daniel was written before Antiochus did anything.

Daniel 12:1

And at that time - At the period referred to in the preceding chapter. The fair construction of the passage demands this interpretation, and if that refers to Antiochus Epiphanes, then what is here said must also; and we are to look for the direct and immediate fulfillment of this prediction in something that occurred under him, however, it may be supposed to have an ultimate reference to other and more remote events. The phrase “at that time,” however, does not limit what is here said to any one part of his life, or to his death, but to the general period referred to in the time of his reign. That reign was but eleven years, and the fulfillment must be found somewhere during that period.

... It cannot be denied that it might be applied to those who, for any cause, were inactive, or whose energies were not aroused - as we often employ the word sleep or slumber - and that it might be tints used of those who seemed to slumber in the midst of the persecutions which raged, and the wrongs that were committed by Antiochus; but it would be most natural to understand it of those who were dead, and this idea would be particularly suggested in the connection in which it stands here.
In the dust of the earth - Hebrew, “In the ground, or earth of dust” - ארמת־עפר 'ademath ‛âphâr. The language denotes the ground or earth considered as composed of dust, and would naturally refer to those who are dead and buried - considered as sleeping there with the hope of awaking in the resurrection.
Shall awake - This is language appropriate to those who are asleep, and to the dead considered as being asleep. It might, indeed, be applied to an arousing from a state of lethargy and inaction, but its most obvious, and its full meaning, would be to apply it to the resurrection of the dead, considered as an awaking to life of those who were slumbering in their graves.

Something to consider.

Is this physical resurrection?

Ezekiel 37:2-6 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. (3) And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest. (4) Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD. (5) Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: (6) And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.