Why I Am A Futurist

[Sean]

The words of Jesus....

Rev. 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God......

Rev 22:22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations....

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


The words of preterists(Mike Blume)...

Rev. 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the saints, which is in the midst of the paradise of God......

Rev 22:22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the saints, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the saints were for the healing of the nations....

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the saints, and may enter in through the gates into the city.



Bowas, this changing of the meanings that preterists are doing is NUTS!!!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

The words of Jesus....

Rev. 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God......

Rev 22:22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations....

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


The words of preterists(Mike Blume)...

Rev. 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the saints, which is in the midst of the paradise of God......

Rev 22:22 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the saints, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the saints were for the healing of the nations....

14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the saints, and may enter in through the gates into the city.



Bowas, this changing of the meanings that preterists are doing is NUTS!!!

You change the meaning when you say this:

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a MAN as it had been slain, having NO HORNS AND TWO EYES, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

You changed the bible!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You change the meaning when you say this:

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a MAN as it had been slain, having NO HORNS AND TWO EYES, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

You changed the bible!

I didnt say that Mike.....
Here is verbatim what I said....6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.(This represented Jesus as the Lamb of God)

Full Definition of REPRESENT

transitive verb
1
: to bring clearly before the mind
: to serve as a sign or symbol of
: to portray or exhibit in art : depict
4
: to serve as the counterpart or image of : typify
5
a : to produce on the stage
b : to act the part or role of


Actually, I really dont know for sure what it means(as I said before concerning tough stuff)...I just suggest stuff to start a conversation on tough verses.(I dont argue about "tough" verses)
Some things may never be known in the book of Revelation until the Lord raptures us out of here.

You will, however, never find a book of answering Gods' riddles being written by me!

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Sean

"Minor" symbolism Bowas, not "wacko" symbolism...thats the key!

Originally Posted by Sean

I didnt say that Mike.....
Here is verbatim what I said....6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.(This represented Jesus as the Lamb of God)

Full Definition of REPRESENT

transitive verb
1
: to bring clearly before the mind
: to serve as a sign or symbol of
: to portray or exhibit in art : depict
4
: to serve as the counterpart or image of : typify
5
a : to produce on the stage
b : to act the part or role of


Actually, I really dont know for sure what it means(as I said before concerning tough stuff)...I just suggest stuff to start a conversation on tough verses.(I dont argue about "tough" verses)
Some things may never be known in the book of Revelation until the Lord raptures us out of here.

You will, however, never find a book of answering Gods' riddles being written by me!

*And everyone breathes a HUGE sigh of relief no book is forthcoming from you* lol

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Sean

I didnt say that Mike.....
Here is verbatim what I said....6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.(This represented Jesus as the Lamb of God)

See how you hypocritically answered that?

A hypocritical answer is an answer that you allow for yourself but not someone else who uses the same manner you use.

We both KNOW the LAMB is symbolic. And when I say you twits the bible to say the LAMB is not a LAMB, you claim the lamb represented Jesus, and insist you did not change the term LAMB to MAN.

Open your eyes, bro. That is what we claim about the tree. THE TREE represented the believers as Jesus is the vine and we are the branches. We never CHANGED the words from tree to people any more than you changed LAMB to MAN. So, stop acting the hypocrite by saying we chnage terms when we do the same thing with tree as you did with lamb.

Full Definition of REPRESENT

transitive verb
1
: to bring clearly before the mind
: to serve as a sign or symbol of
: to portray or exhibit in art : depict
4
: to serve as the counterpart or image of : typify
5
a : to produce on the stage
b : to act the part or role of


Actually, I really dont know for sure what it means(as I said before concerning tough stuff)...I just suggest stuff to start a conversation on tough verses.
Some things may never be known in the book of Revelation until the Lord raptures us out of here.

Oh please. lol. You do not know what it is? But it SAYS LAMB! Just like Rev 22 says TREE, Rev 5 says LAMB. You are not consistent.

You will never find a book of answering Gods' riddles being written by me!

No, you will only write inconsistent thoughts and guesswork and telling people they're going to hell because they believe a vision uses a symbol, while you attend no church for months and months, and deny resurrection raises bodies incorruptible.

You do not see how saying literal leaves bring immortality shows your belief to be wrong in that interpretation because the rest of the bible, OUTSIDE A VISION, says resurrection makes us immortal. It does not take us to a tree to be immortal, IT MAKES US IMMORTAL itself.

Why do you think Jesus said by their FRUITS ye shall know them?

You said you're confused because the city and the tree speak of us in my words, but yet Psalm 1 speaks of us as trees, and Matt 5 speaks of us as a city. Does the bible confuse you?

Your doctrine is haywire because it conflicts with other scriptures. And you avoid these questions and just become nonsensical in response. Typical.