Why I Am A Futurist

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Brother Blume, can you please demonstrate that Adam and Eve had immortality independently of tree of life?

Isn't this enough?

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.”

If they die if they eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil then doesn't it follow that if they never eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that they will never die regardless if they eat or don't eat of the tree of life.?

[Sean]

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Isn't this enough?

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.”

If they die if they eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil then doesn't it follow that if they never eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that they will never die regardless if they eat or don't eat of the tree of life.?

If I may...


It does not say specifically that they were forced to eat of the Tree of Life before the fall, but that it was fine to eat of ANY tree(including the Tree of Life), except 1 tree(knowledge of good and evil).

Now after the fall, the ONLY tree that was forbidden to eat became the Tree of Life(the reverse)....Why?....

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:.......

So man could not have access to immortality!

So, if man eats of the bad tree and "dies" on day 1, then it only stands to reason that man would desperately try to get to the good tree that was "legal" to eat before he fell into sin. Man was already FAMILIAR with the properties of the good tree, and that is why God surrounded it with armed angels.

To think that man did not partake of, or was not allowed to partake of the Tree of Life before the fall, is to assume that God had an inaccessible, "useless teaser tree" in the garden just to tease mankind when he finally fell.(that's mental torture to His creation).



Thats like dangling a cancer cure in front of a dying cancer patient and saying....."too bad, you never had access to it anyway"

The reality is Adam and Eve voluntarily gave back the cure to God, then lost access to what they already had.

They traded a good tree for a bad tree when they chose to eat the bad tree. God simply forbid them to eat the good tree anymore because they now had "THE KNOWLEDGE GOOD AND EVIL"

Simply stated, they could not serve God and sin, and neither can we!!!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

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If I may...


It does not say specifically that they were forced to eat of the Tree of Life before the fall, but that it was fine to eat of ANY tree(including the Tree of Life), except 1 tree(knowledge of good and evil).

Now after the fall, the ONLY tree that was forbidden to eat became the Tree of Life(the reverse)....Why?....

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:.......

So man could not have access to immortality!

So, if man eats of the bad tree and "dies" on day 1, then it only stands to reason that man would desperately try to get to the good tree that was "legal" to eat before he fell into sin. Man was already FAMILIAR with the properties of the good tree, and that is why God surrounded it with armed angels.

To think that man did not partake of, or was not allowed to partake of the Tree of Life before the fall, is to assume that God had an inaccessible, "useless teaser tree" in the garden just to tease mankind when he finally fell.(that's mental torture to His creation).



Thats like dangling a cancer cure in front of a dying cancer patient and saying....."too bad, you never had access to it anyway"

The reality is Adam and Eve voluntarily gave back the cure to God, then lost access to what they already had.

They traded a good tree for a bad tree when they chose to eat the bad tree. God simply forbid them to eat the good tree anymore because they now had "THE KNOWLEDGE GOOD AND EVIL"

Simply stated, they could not serve God and sin, and neither can we!!!

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[mfblume]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Isn't this enough?

16 And the Lord God commanded the man, “You may freely eat of every tree of the garden; 17 but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall die.”

If they die if they eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil then doesn't it follow that if they never eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil that they will never die regardless if they eat or don't eat of the tree of life.?

Right. Good one!