Why I Am A Futurist

[mfblume]

Mankind was already like God when the serpent said the woman would be like God. God made them in His likeness. So the devil lied and made them seek what was already theirs.

[Sean]

The only reason that would keep Adam from eating of the Tree of Life would be if he was a preterist......LOL

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Sean

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I would have absolutely eaten of the tree of life. It had life giving properties, and it was permitted to eat.
Why would Adam eat a banned tree and not a permitted tree?...WELL?

Sean, Sean, Sean: why didn't you eat of the tree of life first?
Why did you have to sin???

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Sean

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I would have absolutely eaten of the tree of life. It had life giving properties, and it was permitted to eat.
Why would Adam eat a banned tree and not a permitted tree?...WELL?

Sean, READ the scriptures and tell us why!

Fact is, Adam DID eat of the forbidden tree...and Sean, so have you!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Sean, READ the scriptures and tell us why!

Fact is, Adam DID eat of the forbidden tree...and Sean, so have you!

Amen!

Wow. Unbelievable. The bible says Adam ate the forbidden fruit and not a word about eating the allowed fruit. And someone asks WHY?

Temptation.

Unbelievable.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Gen 3:22 KJV And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:


Gill: behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil; which is generally understood as an irony or sarcasm at man's deception by Satan, who promised man, and he expected to be as gods, knowing good and evil; behold the man, see how much like a god he looks, with his coat of skin upon his back, filled with shame and confusion for his folly, and dejected under a sense of what he had lost, and in a view of what he was sentenced to; yet must be understood not as rejoicing in man's misery, and insulting over him in it, but in order the more to convince him of his folly, and the more to humble him, and bring him to a more open repentance for affecting what he did, and giving credit to the devil in it:

Others claim the translation should be better as the Hebrew indicates this:

JFB: And God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us — not spoken in irony as is generally supposed, but in deep compassion. The words should be rendered, “Behold, what has become [by sin] of the man who was as one of us”! Formed, at first, in our image to know good and evil - how sad his condition now.

wow, completely changes the meaning!

[mfblume]

The knowledge of good and evil is a very religious sounding concept. That's the subtlety behind it. It SOUNDS good to learn everything that is good and all that is evil so we can do the good and avoid the evil. But it is US MAKING US advance, and that never works. The devil knew it wouldn't work. And it's also exactly what most religion is in the world. Self advancing self.

Jesus came not to give us knowledge of good and evil. He came to give us LIFE!

The FRUITS we know false prophets by are actually the knowledge of good and evil.

Think of the the two trees in the Garden when reading these words:

Mat 7:14-20 KJV Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. (15) Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (16) Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? (17) Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. (18) A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. (19) Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. (20) Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

It's screaming out to us about the Garden of Eden's problem with Adam and Eve.

Satan's offer was accepted and they ate the forbidden fruit and immediately saw their problem and tried correcting it themselves, only to fall terribly short of adequate correction. They MADE THEMSELVES aprons. SELF improving SELF. No need for God.

contrast:

Gen 3:7 KJV And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

with

Gen 3:21 KJV Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

Inadequate aprons or fully covering coats?

Rev 19:8 KJV And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

She should be arrayed. Not she should array herself.

God had to come down and clothe them.

This shows the pattern of what the legalistic knowledge of good and evil will do. Convince self to improve self without God's intervention and empowerment of grace.

Unless Eden is understood in this light, as attested to by the New Testament emphasis, we will misunderstand the whole scenario. The New is the Old revealed. The Old is the New concealed.

[shazeep]

ah, very nice. You might add that they were already 'clothed,' but not covered by sacrificial blood, ie the animal that provided the skin

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ah, very nice. You might add that they were already 'clothed,' but not covered by sacrificial blood, ie the animal that provided the skin

Amen. Without shedding of blood is no remission of sins. An innocent life (Christ) had to be taken.

And Cain repeated the error with offering veggies, but Abel offered blood.

[mfblume]

Notice they hid after the clothed themselves. And why did they hide?

Gen 3:10 KJV And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.


Seems like they thought they were covered, but when the VOICE/WORD came, they realized the truth. Still not enough.