Is supprt for israel really required (V)

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Umm... what makes you think those people over there are Israelites?

Israelites are not a race, and anyone can become an American in the same manner.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Israelites are not a race, and anyone can become an American in the same manner.

Israelites, strictly speaking, are the biological descendants of Jacob.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Israelites, strictly speaking, are the biological descendants of Jacob.

"And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast
thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed."

The descendants ONLY according to the flesh (natural realm) received the name change;

The descendants according to the promise (spiritual realm) are receiving the BLESSING!

"And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore
is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he BLESSED HIM THERE."

For those who have not yet understood, this correlates with the scripture found in Romans:
"For whosoever calls upon the NAME of the Lord SHALL BE saved."

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

"And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast
thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed."

The descendants ONLY according to the flesh (natural realm) received the name change;

The descendants according to the promise (spiritual realm) are receiving the BLESSING!

"And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore
is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he BLESSED HIM THERE."

For those who have not yet understood, this correlates with the scripture found in Romans:
"For whosoever calls upon the NAME of the Lord SHALL BE saved."

Israelites and "Israel" as used in the NT are not exactly the same thing. Not all Israelites are counted as being part of Israel. This was true in the OT, as well, by the way.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Israelites and "Israel" as used in the NT are not exactly the same thing. Not all Israelites are counted as being part of Israel. This was true in the OT, as well, by the way.

Hence a remnant the ἐκκλησία are those who are a called out congregation. If anyone could see that they wouldn't be pining after modern day physical Israel. It is about grace not race, and therefore once someone realizes that modern day Israel is a country just like Monaco, with no Biblical affiliation whatsoever, they begin to place the ancient Israel in her proper setting, and modern Israel in her proper setting. Modern day Israel needs to be evangelized with the Apostolic truth, and not ignored because some doctrine teaches that they are unconditionally saved.

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Israelites and "Israel" as used in the NT are not exactly the same thing. Not all Israelites are counted as being part of Israel. This was true in the OT, as well, by the way.

Hence "natural" Israel, and "spiritual" Israel.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Hence "natural" Israel, and "spiritual" Israel.

Yes, in the first century A.D..

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Yes, in the first century A.D..

I have been grafted to the natural olive tree: I am, therefore, an Israelite.

If you believe that there are no more Israelites today, it is likely that you are not one!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Israelites are not a race, and anyone can become an American in the same manner.

Yes, but would never pass the test required by Ezra in Ezra 2:59-62.
Hence they are not the people of the Book as the Quran, Islam and Dispensationalists claim.
I showed that to some Muslims which I was Bible studying and one got some understanding, while the other four had a melt down, you would of thought I mixed pig guts in their cheerios.