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Old 09-15-2015, 08:58 PM
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Re: The Effects of A Loud Shout | Raul Alvear Jr.

If the heart is not right, even your prayer is detestable to the Lord. Shall we then forego prayer because someone somewhere might pray with the wrong attitude?

The bible describes worship and praise. Shouting is included, so if you don't like shoutin' you don't like biblical worship.

The bible goes further and COMMANDS shouting. Do you prefer God's opinion or your own personal feelings on the matter? Conform to scripture, be conformed to God's Way, and follow in the footsteps of all the saints of God who have gone before you, be a part of something far older than yourself, something that will in fact be eternal.

OR, harrumph in your seat, clamp your throat down, be mum, be "dignified" like the Pharisees who demanded Jesus stop all that noisemaking his disciples and the people were doing, and risk the same rebuke from the Lord.

Some people are so out of touch with biblical worship it's amazing!

Is there MORE than shouting? CERTAINLY! But just as there is more to parenting than playing with your kids, that doesn't mean we quit playing with our kids "because there's more to parenting than playing." Just so with worship.

Some of us got religion so good we can't help but shout unto God with the voice of triumph. And, sadly, some don't have much to shout about...
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Some of us got religion so good we can't help but shout unto God with the voice of triumph. And, sadly, some don't have much to shout about...

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Re: The Effects of A Loud Shout | Raul Alvear Jr.

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If the heart is not right, even your prayer is detestable to the Lord. Shall we then forego prayer because someone somewhere might pray with the wrong attitude?

The bible describes worship and praise. Shouting is included, so if you don't like shoutin' you don't like biblical worship.

The bible goes further and COMMANDS shouting. Do you prefer God's opinion or your own personal feelings on the matter? Conform to scripture, be conformed to God's Way, and follow in the footsteps of all the saints of God who have gone before you, be a part of something far older than yourself, something that will in fact be eternal.

OR, harrumph in your seat, clamp your throat down, be mum, be "dignified" like the Pharisees who demanded Jesus stop all that noisemaking his disciples and the people were doing, and risk the same rebuke from the Lord.

Some people are so out of touch with biblical worship it's amazing!

Is there MORE than shouting? CERTAINLY! But just as there is more to parenting than playing with your kids, that doesn't mean we quit playing with our kids "because there's more to parenting than playing." Just so with worship.

Some of us got religion so good we can't help but shout unto God with the voice of triumph. And, sadly, some don't have much to shout about...
I never said to forego shouting, now did I? I just said that outward antics don't attract the attention of God, but the condition of our heart does. I most certainly believe in shouting, but I believe it must be understood that just shouting alone, without your heart raised in adoration to the Lord, does no good. You are majoring on the minor point here. I have already said there is nothing wrong with worshiping the Lord in praise, song, dance, etc... and how silly that would be!

My note of caution is pointed toward the other end of the spectrum where the outward antics are not connected with the heart, and instead of worship, it turns into a display of flesh. You can't tell me that being around Pentecost all your life that you haven't seen that happen. Of course, you can't say no more worship because of that - that is crazy too.

You are just trying to ignore my point that there are two ends to this spectrum, and my intent was to point out the need for understanding that just because your flesh is displaying loud worship, doesn't necessarily mean that God is accepting it. If you are moving and shouting in response to loud music, are you worshiping God, or the beat? Just wanting to outline that here.

I will say it again, I love to worship the Lord. But the volume of my voice is not a necessary indication of how deep my love and worship for Him is.
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