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[votivesoul]

What's the difference between the "strange fire" and the fire God commanded to be used in the offerings at the altar of incense?

Both were literal fire, with all the qualities and components that make fire, fire.

The only difference is that Nadab and Abihu brought in fire they themselves had kindled, instead of lighting a taper from the fire God kindled on the brazen altar when He consumed the consecratory sacrifice.

Humans can kindle the fires of praise in their hearts, but if it isn't Spirit led, it's strange to God, and He won't accept it, no matter how real it actually is.

Jesus said without Him, we can't do anything. We can't even praise God properly unless the Holy Spirit of Christ inspires us and gives us the ability, direction, and operation.

Sometimes, the inspiration from Him comes in the form of shouting and making a loud noise, especially with instruments of music. When it's God's fire, there's nothing more powerful, as I've experienced.

When it's kindled by men, and it's strange fire to God, it's a messy disaster that makes the whole group of people involved look sad (which reflects on the God they are claiming to be worshiping with such "fire").

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

What's the difference between the "strange fire" and the fire God commanded to be used in the offerings at the altar of incense?

Both were literal fire, with all the qualities and components that make fire, fire.

The only difference is that Nadab and Abihu brought in fire they themselves had kindled, instead of lighting a taper from the fire God kindled on the brazen altar when He consumed the consecratory sacrifice.

Humans can kindle the fires of praise in their hearts, but if it isn't Spirit led, it's strange to God, and He won't accept it, no matter how real it actually is.

Jesus said without Him, we can't do anything. We can't even praise God properly unless the Holy Spirit of Christ inspires us and gives us the ability, direction, and operation.

Sometimes, the inspiration from Him comes in the form of shouting and making a loud noise, especially with instruments of music. When it's God's fire, there's nothing more powerful, as I've experienced.

When it's kindled by men, and it's strange fire to God, it's a messy disaster that makes the whole group of people involved look sad (which reflects on the God they are claiming to be worshiping with such "fire").

First of all, please provide the Scripture that says or teaches the bolded part.

Secondly, please consider this: IF the Word of God says JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY, and a person says 'Jesus is not GOD ALMIGHTY', then does it not follow (according to your judgment as quoted and bolded above) that such a person's worship of God is not acceptable to God, and is in fact merely noise that will just be added to the screams of the damned as they are cast into the lake of fire?

Just wondering.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by Esaias

First of all, please provide the Scripture that says or teaches the bolded part.

Secondly, please consider this: IF the Word of God says JESUS CHRIST IS GOD ALMIGHTY, and a person says 'Jesus is not GOD ALMIGHTY', then does it not follow (according to your judgment as quoted and bolded above) that such a person's worship of God is not acceptable to God, and is in fact merely noise that will just be added to the screams of the damned as they are cast into the lake of fire?

Just wondering.

You've obviously decided to pick a fight with me over our differences. You seem to be on a crusade, if your posts and disparaging comments are any indication. Rattle your rapier all you want. I beat my sword into a plowshare long ago.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

You've obviously decided to pick a fight with me over our differences. You seem to be on a crusade, if your posts and disparaging comments are any indication. Rattle your rapier all you want. I beat my sword into a plowshare long ago.

But for anyone else reading, who would like to know the answer to your first question, take a read through Malachi.

God even tells the people that He'd rather have the doors to the temple locked, than to allow them to continue to make offerings to Him according to their own design--which means there is a right way to worship (inspired by God through His Word, as led by the Spirit) and a wrong way (inspired by the flesh through carnal lusts, as led by human emotions).

Nadab and Abihu made a choice (in their heart as the center of conscious activity) to kindle a fire their own way in order to go into the tent of meeting and offer praise to God at the altar of incense. It was summarily rejected and God killed them without mercy, for not following the strict mandates of His Word.

They relied upon their own ingenuity and ability to make a fire which they believed was reasonable enough to give to God and use in worship, and they paid for that mistake with their lives.

They have been a shining example to all since then up until now, that there is a wrong way to worship, a way that is man-centered in that the motivation and desire to offer God worship comes from the flesh of man.

Even in David's triumph, he found defeat, when God broke through and killed Uzzah for touching the ark. And why? The worship was unacceptable because it wasn't being offered according to the Word of God, meaning the Spirit had no part in inspiring it, for if the Spirit had actually inspired what they were attempting to do to worship God, the Spirit would have told them to not do anything until some consecrated Levites could be summoned to carry the ark back to Jerusalem.

They didn't realize their error until after God ended a man. They then went back to the Scriptures to see what they should have done from the beginning, and the Holy Spirit got involved and the worship was accepted before the Lord.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

But for anyone else reading, who would like to know the answer to your first question, take a read through Malachi.

God even tells the people that He'd rather have the doors to the temple locked, than to allow them to continue to make offerings to Him according to their own design--which means there is a right way to worship (inspired by God through His Word, as led by the Spirit) and a wrong way (inspired by the flesh through carnal lusts, as led by human emotions).

Nadab and Abihu made a choice (in their heart as the center of conscious activity) to kindle a fire their own way in order to go into the tent of meeting and offer praise to God at the altar of incense. It was summarily rejected and God killed them without mercy, for not following the strict mandates of His Word.

They relied upon their own ingenuity and ability to make a fire which they believed was reasonable enough to give to God and use in worship, and they paid for that mistake with their lives.

They have been a shining example to all since then up until now, that there is a wrong way to worship, a way that is man-centered in that the motivation and desire to offer God worship comes from the flesh of man.

Even in David's triumph, he found defeat, when God broke through and killed Uzzah for touching the ark. And why? The worship was unacceptable because it wasn't being offered according to the Word of God, meaning the Spirit had no part in inspiring it, for if the Spirit had actually inspired what they were attempting to do to worship God, the Spirit would have told them to not do anything until some consecrated Levites could be summoned to carry the ark back to Jerusalem.

They didn't realize their error until after God ended a man. They then went back to the Scriptures to see what they should have done from the beginning, and the Holy Spirit got involved and the worship was accepted before the Lord.

Another good example is King Ahaz, who had a replica of a pagan altar built and placed in the temple in order that--not to offer pagan sacrifices, but rather, that the sacrifices due YHWH according to God's Word, should be offered.

Again, this is an example of a person doing the right thing (offering sacrifices by fire to God on an altar) in the wrong way, because human and not divine inspiration was behind it all. Ahaz met an ignoble end, and wasn't even mourned when they tossed his carcass into a commoner's grave.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

You've obviously decided to pick a fight with me over our differences. You seem to be on a crusade, if your posts and disparaging comments are any indication. Rattle your rapier all you want. I beat my sword into a plowshare long ago.

I am not picking a fight. I am asking for clarification: if Jesus Christ is God, and one worships him as "not God", then is that worship not totally unacceptable to God?

As for my first question, you seem to imply that any sincere praise of God originating in the heart of a believer is strange fire and cursed by God unless it is an immediate inspiration of the Spirit. I asked for the scripture that says what you said, that is all.