Some standing here

[shag]

Originally Posted by shag

So based on your response, you are saying that Acts 2:3 is the fulfillment of Matt.16:28, correct?

“Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”


Acts 2:3

3 Then there appeared to them cloven tongues, as of fire, and one sat upon each of them.




Please explain to me how they visibly saw the son of man in Acts 2 with their own eyes. And where does it say that?

Originally Posted by Sean

The cloven tongues is the Holy Ghost visibly manifested to them all.

The Holy Ghost is Jesus.

Jesus manifested himself to them in that fashion.

It never happened again.

The cloven tongues were a fulfillment of a promise that Jesus would visibly appear in His kingdom.

Isa 19:1 The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD RIDETH UPON A SWIFT "CLOUD", and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.

Does scripture record anyone seeing the Lord riding on a cloud, and do you believe they've visibly seen Him riding on a cloud?
And here we have Ejypt melting, yet can you explain about what has taken place with the melting of Ejypt, since you demand planet earth having a meltdown in other scripture?



Yet when Jesus told them they would see the son of man, and even though nobody in Acts 2 actually visibly saw the son of man, you still believe that Matt. 16:28 was fulfilled when it reads:
Matthew 16:

28 "Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

because Acts 2:3 reads that cloven tongues appeared to them.


But then in Revelation the Lord is coming with the clouds, on a white horse, with a sword coming out of his mouth, and you say that's one for the visible eye to see, sword, horse, clouds and all.


And you honestly don't see the conflict of inconsistency?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by shag

Isa 19:1 The burden of Egypt. Behold, the LORD RIDETH UPON A SWIFT "CLOUD", and shall come into Egypt: and the idols of Egypt shall be moved at his presence, and the heart of Egypt shall melt in the midst of it.

Does scripture record anyone seeing the Lord riding on a cloud, and do you believe they've visibly seen Him riding on a cloud?
And here we have Ejypt melting, yet can you explain about what has taken place with the melting of Ejypt, since you demand planet earth having a meltdown in other scripture?



Yet when Jesus told them they would see the son of man, and even though nobody in Acts 2 actually visibly saw the son of man, you still believe that Matt. 16:28 was fulfilled when it reads:
Matthew 16:

28 "Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."

because Acts 2:3 reads that cloven tongues appeared to them.


But then in Revelation the Lord is coming with the clouds, on a white horse, with a sword coming out of his mouth, and you say that's one for the visible eye to see, sword, horse, clouds and all.


And you honestly don't see the conflict of inconsistency?

Did you expect the son of man to re-appear to them the same way he looked, after the ascension, as he was speaking to them, before his death?

Do you think the son of man cannot appear in different forms after the ascension?

Do you think he is confined to a human body?





If so, please show us some writings of when the son of man visibly returned in his kingdom in a document of some type in 70ad.

I will even accept the National Enquirer, Preterist Archives or Planet Preterist.

[shag]

Sean, I realize the Holyghost is none other than the spirit of Jesus Christ residing in the nt born again disciple. Duh.

I realize he was unrecognized post resurrection when they walked with him. Duh.


I also realize that you absolutely refused to respond to the questions in my post, and respond in an honest manner, with yourself and with me.


I'll try not continue to waste our time on this.