Your tithes were already paid.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Originalist

It really is an apples and oranges comparison since what you are referring to as "tithing" simply is not taught in scripture. There is no tithe on monetary income found in scripture, period. Law tithing was on increase of ASSETS. Abraham tithes once on things that did not belong to him and returned the balance to the owners. Jacob also tithes ONCE on ASSETS.

In the New Testament, the number 10 simply has no relevance.

Hey bro., preachers that teach mandatory tithing are not interested it investigating the truth about N.T. tithing.

When it comes to having access to 10% of a believers income for life, they would rather take a chance with teaching blatant false doctrine and being lost, than teaching the truth.

This is clearly the doctrine of Baalam......ministry for hire, and cursing the people of God.....(with Mal. 3)

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sean

Hey bro., preachers that teach mandatory tithing are not interested it investigating the truth about N.T. tithing.

When it comes to having access to 10% of a believers income for life, they would rather take a chance with teaching blatant false doctrine and being lost, than teaching the truth.

This is clearly the doctrine of Baalam......ministry for hire, and cursing the people of God.....(with Mal. 3)

Oh brother... Blatantly false assumptions. Now I remember why I left...

I am a preacher and I will tell you that I am interested in investigating the truth, all of the truth. Not only am I interested but I have and do.

Apparently you have no idea what the doctrine of Balaam was.

Now you and others are welcome to your own opinions and you do not have to agree with me or anyone else. That is your God given prerogative. But to come out and attack preachers because you disagree is flat out wrong. That is sad.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Oh brother... Blatantly false assumptions. Now I remember why I left...

I am a preacher and I will tell you that I am interested in investigating the truth, all of the truth. Not only am I interested but I have and do.

Apparently you have no idea what the doctrine of Balaam was.

Now you and others are welcome to your own opinions and you do not have to agree with me or anyone else. That is your God given prerogative. But to come out and attack preachers because you disagree is flat out wrong. That is sad.

Pliny, just cease from teaching mandatory giving and begin to teach free will giving, okay?

Why take a chance of being told, "depart from me".

The doctrine of tithing has been a stumblingblock to saints and sinners alike, and will not be ignored on judgement day.(any more than the man made ideas promoted by the Catholic Church).

The blood of our Lord does not cover heresies. (just ask the Apostle Paul, by reading his verses about heretics).


You can be mad as a hornet at me here and now, but if you change to N.T. Biblical teaching, regarding this issue of giving, you will be hugging my neck in eternity!

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sean

Pliny, just cease from teaching mandatory giving and begin to teach free will giving, okay?

Why take a chance of being told, "depart from me".

The doctrine of tithing has been a stumblingblock to saints and sinners alike, and will not be ignored on judgement day.(any more than the man made ideas promoted by the Catholic Church).

The blood of our Lord does not cover heresies. (just ask the Apostle Paul, by reading his verses about heretics).


You can be mad as a hornet at me here and now, but if you change to N.T. Biblical teaching, regarding this issue of giving, you will be hugging my neck in eternity!

Thank you for your opinion. I could just as easily say to you cease from hindering what God has instituted. That you have no right or authority to change God's word. He instituted it and He is the one that gets to stop it. Can you tell me where it stopped?

Why take a chance on being told depart from me?

Nope not mad as a hornet or anything else. I think it is sad that you have such contempt for preachers. I think it's sad that you accuse me of having access to 10% for life and would rather take a chance on preaching false doctrine. Why? Because I believe something different from you? You don't even know me but you are willing to condemn me and castigate me. Perhaps you should take the beam out of your own eye before attacking me.

This thread was going along okay. I know there is people that disagree with me and I am okay with that. I believe what I believe and will stand before God just like everyone else. This thread turned south when others showed up with condemnation.

No problem. I will bow out now. I sincerely wish you the best and may God grant you an ever closer walk with Him.

BTW I have never taken a salary from the Church. I work a full time job, preach and teach. I have received an offering from time to time.

Take Care

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Pliny

Thank you for your opinion. I could just as easily say to you cease from hindering what God has instituted. That you have no right or authority to change God's word. He instituted it and He is the one that gets to stop it. Can you tell me where it stopped? When you were delivered from the Law.

I can tell you who STARTED it in New Testament times...The Catholic Church in the 6th century.

Why take a chance on being told depart from me?

Nope not mad as a hornet or anything else. I think it is sad that you have such contempt for preachers. I think it's sad that you accuse me of having access to 10% for life and would rather take a chance on preaching false doctrine. Why? Because I believe something different from you? You don't even know me but you are willing to condemn me and castigate me. Perhaps you should take the beam out of your own eye before attacking me.

This thread was going along okay. I know there is people that disagree with me and I am okay with that. I believe what I believe and will stand before God just like everyone else. This thread turned south when others showed up with condemnation.

No problem. I will bow out now. I sincerely wish you the best and may God grant you an ever closer walk with Him.

BTW I have never taken a salary from the Church. I work a full time job, preach and teach. I have received an offering from time to time.

Take Care

Pliny, condemnation is good.

It is what brought you to the Lord in the first place.

It will help you to stop teaching mandatory giving also.

You will hug my neck in eternity for "condemning" you, if you hear what I am saying and stop teaching this STUMBLINGBLOCK/SALVATION TAX/GOD ROBBER message to the precious fellow saints you serve the Lord Jesus with.

[J.A. Perez]

If A person refused to give offering would he be guilty of robbing God?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by J.A. Perez

If A person refused to give offering would he be guilty of robbing God?

Only if it was an offering God specifically told them to give and they refused.

[Pliny]

Originally Posted by Sean

Pliny, condemnation is good.

It is what brought you to the Lord in the first place.

It will help you to stop teaching mandatory giving also.

You will hug my neck in eternity for "condemning" you, if you hear what I am saying and stop teaching this STUMBLINGBLOCK/SALVATION TAX/GOD ROBBER message to the precious fellow saints you serve the Lord Jesus with.

I am thankful I am living in the Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah.

(Jer 31:31 KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

(Jer 31:32 KJV) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

(Jer 31:33 KJV) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Tithing was practiced by the NT church way before there was a Catholic Church.

I hope you are there in eternity. I may hug your neck but it will not be because of the spirit displayed here.

You should stop condemning preachers for preaching and teaching what they believe. I have learned and actually still learning that there are those who pray just as much, study as much and are just as sincere as I am that have a different opinion. I don't condemn them. It is arrogant to do so. It is arrogant because it assumes that the condemner is so much smarter than the other person or has prayed more or has studies more... You get the idea I hope.

I have asked the question once and will ask it again:
When did tithing start and who started it?

Tithing predated the Law so even if the Law ended, which it didn't - it was fulfilled, it would not necessitate an end to tithing.

Where did the Apostles or Jesus say tithing ceased?

Take Care

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I am thankful I am living in the Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah.

(Jer 31:31 KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

(Jer 31:32 KJV) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

(Jer 31:33 KJV) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.



Amen, it is The Millennial covenant to future Israel, that we are "partially" under, to be fully revealed when our Lord Jesus returns the 2nd time!


Tithing was practiced by the NT church way before there was a Catholic Church.

Where in the New Testament Church can we find this?

I hope you are there in eternity. I may hug your neck but it will not be because of the spirit displayed here.

What?, is that the thanks I get for helping you?

You should stop condemning preachers for preaching and teaching what they believe. I have learned and actually still learning that there are those who pray just as much, study as much and are just as sincere as I am that have a different opinion. I don't condemn them. It is arrogant to do so. It is arrogant because it assumes that the condemner is so much smarter than the other person or has prayed more or has studies more... You get the idea I hope.

Of course, but I would ask you top stop looking at others that seem to be getting away with teaching this error, and be an individual. Are you finished learning? Do you trust every doctrine you have learned from your friends?
How do you know, those that died in error are not lost?(I hope not).
Are you willing to take that chance and follow the others?

I have asked the question once and will ask it again:
When did tithing start and who started it?

It was a land tax, practiced by a man named Melchisedek, who was a priest in a pagan city.

Tithing predated the Law so even if the Law ended, which it didn't - it was fulfilled, it would not necessitate an end to tithing.

So did circumcision, so do you insist on that also?

Where did the Apostles or Jesus say tithing ceased?

Hebrews 7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Take Care

You too brother

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Pliny

I am thankful I am living in the Covenant prophesied by Jeremiah.

(Jer 31:31 KJV) Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

(Jer 31:32 KJV) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

(Jer 31:33 KJV) But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.


Tithing was practiced by the NT church way before there was a Catholic Church.

I hope you are there in eternity. I may hug your neck but it will not be because of the spirit displayed here.

You should stop condemning preachers for preaching and teaching what they believe. I have learned and actually still learning that there are those who pray just as much, study as much and are just as sincere as I am that have a different opinion. I don't condemn them. It is arrogant to do so. It is arrogant because it assumes that the condemner is so much smarter than the other person or has prayed more or has studies more... You get the idea I hope.

I have asked the question once and will ask it again:
When did tithing start and who started it?

Tithing predated the Law so even if the Law ended, which it didn't - it was fulfilled, it would not necessitate an end to tithing.

Where did the Apostles or Jesus say tithing ceased?

Take Care

You have contradicted yourself so many times in this thread and don't even know it.

Tithing as an institution pre-dated the Law? Scripture please.

You say the law was fulfilled but insist one ordinance hung on because Jesus and the Apostles never specifically said it ended? Planting mixed seeds and wearing linen and wool together was not specifically said to have ended by Jesus and the Apostles ,either. Do you practice those as well?

Somebody forgot to study hermeneutics.