Your tithes were already paid.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by jfrog

So it's okay to tell people that not tithing is robbing God.

But it's not okay to call out those that teach falsehoods about tithing as false teachers?


It is demeaning to be told you are robbing God when you are not. It is demeaning to be told you are preaching a falsehoods when you are not.

The truth is that the other sides claims will always sound demeaning because someone has to be wrong and doing a disservice to gods church.

It's either the mandatory tithe teachers or those that teach against mandatory tithing. Whoever it is, there's no way not to demean the wrong thing they do.

It is always o.k. to make a stand for biblical truth, but is there a right way to do it. Some of the tone and remarks made here demonize men who love the Lord and are sincere about what they believe. Bitterness is the wrong motivation to lead from.

Considering the large majority of churches (most every denomination) do teach tithe this demeaning message could actually keep people out of the church completely. Our focus should be on winning the lost and not exposing all the faults we find in others. Eventually there will never be a church biblical true enough for anyone.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

It is always o.k. to make a stand for biblical truth, but is there a right way to do it. Some of the tone and remarks made here demonize men who love the Lord and are sincere about what they believe. Bitterness is the wrong motivation to lead from.

Considering the large majority of churches (most every denomination) do teach tithe this demeaning message could actually keep people out of the church completely. Our focus should be on winning the lost and not exposing all the faults we find in others. Eventually there will never be a church biblical true enough for anyone.

And their remarks demonize those who teach against mandatory tithing just as yours now do.

Your accusations are noted. But know this propping up falsehood in the name of he lost will only disillusion those you had hoped to save.

[mfblume]

Just a question. Tithing is being questioned here. No problem. Why, though? Is it that people do not give as much as 10% and ti bothers them they are told they should? Or people are giving more and want others to know they can be blessed more than by giving just 10%?

Usually people complain about money when TOO MUCH is being asked. So are you saying 10% is too much to ask for? Trying to see what the point is. Or is it just that DEMANDING people pay a certain amount is wrong, even if it is .001%?

[Rudy]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Just a question. Tithing is being questioned here. No problem. Why, though? Is it that people do not give as much as 10% and ti bothers them they are told they should? Or people are giving more and want others to know they can be blessed more than by giving just 10%?

Usually people complain about money when TOO MUCH is being asked. So are you saying 10% is too much to ask for? Trying to see what the point is. Or is it just that DEMANDING people pay a certain amount is wrong, even if it is .001%?

Mike, I'm sure it is about demanding, accusing people of robbing God, you're going to hell, scaring the bee--gee--bees out of folks, killing them with legalism, shunning, etc.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Rudy

Mike, I'm sure it is about demanding, accusing people of robbing God, you're going to hell, scaring the bee--gee--bees out of folks, killing them with legalism, shunning, etc.

Ok, I agree those things are wrong. But please make that clear, for when everyone simply says TITHING, readers don't know you're implying all that abuse.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Ok, I agree those things are wrong. But please make that clear, for when everyone simply says TITHING, readers don't know you're implying all that abuse.

You see, this is like saying that we became Preterists due to some abuse caused by incorrect eschatology? All this wound licking within a doctrine just seems to be focused on attracting more victims? Victims who have had the same bad experiences due to the misuses of the "doctrine" which committed the crime?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Just a question. Tithing is being questioned here. No problem. Why, though? Is it that people do not give as much as 10% and ti bothers them they are told they should? Or people are giving more and want others to know they can be blessed more than by giving just 10%?

Usually people complain about money when TOO MUCH is being asked. So are you saying 10% is too much to ask for? Trying to see what the point is. Or is it just that DEMANDING people pay a certain amount is wrong, even if it is .001%?

As a minister I want to be 100% sure I am not misleading god's flocking any way. That is what is behind my zeal for this subject.

[Nitehawk013]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Just a question. Tithing is being questioned here. No problem. Why, though? Is it that people do not give as much as 10% and ti bothers them they are told they should? Or people are giving more and want others to know they can be blessed more than by giving just 10%?

Usually people complain about money when TOO MUCH is being asked. So are you saying 10% is too much to ask for? Trying to see what the point is. Or is it just that DEMANDING people pay a certain amount is wrong, even if it is .001%?

I have been straight forward in my reasoning for questioning and condemning the doctrine of tithing. I dislike the fact that 1) it doesn't belong in the NT church. No record of it for 600+ years after Calvary. Paul never even uses the word. Jesus Himself never tells a single soul that they must do it under the new coming covenant. Peter, James, John...all silent. The Patristic period? Only even mentioned as an ideal, never a law or something that people must do or be condemned. 2) I have seen too many people hurt by the doctrine. Elderly saints who are told they must choose paying tithe over buying groceries or prescriptions. YES I have indeed heard it with my own ears. Pay the church instead of medicines you need to live.

No one should think they have no responsibility to fund the church. Everyone who is a faithful member of a church should recognize their responsibility to give to support the church. Everyone should give. The problem is when you twist and force an OT temple tax upon the NT church. That is just wrong.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Nitehawk013

I have been straight forward in my reasoning for questioning and condemning the doctrine of tithing. I dislike the fact that 1) it doesn't belong in the NT church. No record of it for 600+ years after Calvary. Paul never even uses the word. Jesus Himself never tells a single soul that they must do it under the new coming covenant. Peter, James, John...all silent. The Patristic period? Only even mentioned as an ideal, never a law or something that people must do or be condemned. 2) I have seen too many people hurt by the doctrine. Elderly saints who are told they must choose paying tithe over buying groceries or prescriptions. YES I have indeed heard it with my own ears. Pay the church instead of medicines you need to live.

No one should think they have no responsibility to fund the church. Everyone who is a faithful member of a church should recognize their responsibility to give to support the church. Everyone should give. The problem is when you twist and force an OT temple tax upon the NT church. That is just wrong.

But you do realize not very who gives tithes does so due to a church that presents it the way you described here, right?.