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Old 10-28-2015, 09:44 AM
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...where leaves from a tree keep people in heaven from getting sick or dying. Without those leaves, no one would live forever in heaven. It's not the blood, it's not resurrection that swallows mortality up with life. It's leaves!

But wait! The city in which that tree stands leaves Heaven and comes to earth in Rev 21! Oh no! What shall those in heaven do without the leaves that keep them alive in heaven, since the city with the tree left heaven?! They shall die!
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...where leaves from a tree keep people in heaven from getting sick or dying. Without those leaves, no one would live forever in heaven. It's not the blood, it's not resurrection that swallows mortality up with life. It's leaves!

But wait! The city in which that tree stands leaves Heaven and comes to earth in Rev 21! Oh no! What shall those in heaven do without the leaves that keep them alive in heaven, since the city with the tree left heaven?! They shall die!
Sean also believes that Jesus will have a literal sword coming out of His mouth and a literal rod of iron to beat the snot out of everyone. This is how Sean's Jesus will rule. No wonder the guy is so upset all the time.
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...where leaves from a tree keep people in heaven from getting sick or dying. Without those leaves, no one would live forever in heaven. It's not the blood, it's not resurrection that swallows mortality up with life. It's leaves!

But wait! The city in which that tree stands leaves Heaven and comes to earth in Rev 21! Oh no! What shall those in heaven do without the leaves that keep them alive in heaven, since the city with the tree left heaven?! They shall die!



I am taking my board certified master arborist exam beginning tomorrow at high noon, and I can tell you, I have a lot of questions about Sean's view of that tree.( I'm confident however, any answer will be something like, its a "new earth", who knows...)
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I am taking my board certified master arborist exam beginning tomorrow at high noon, and I can tell you, I have a lot of questions about Sean's view of that tree.( I'm confident however, any answer will be something like, its a "new earth", who knows...)

Do you think the exam will answer your questions about the Tree of Life?


Why dont you take MY exam?


I will show you the details of the Tree of Life, right in YOUR Bible!
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...where leaves from a tree keep people in heaven from getting sick or dying. Without those leaves, no one would live forever in heaven. It's not the blood, it's not resurrection that swallows mortality up with life. It's leaves!

But wait! The city in which that tree stands leaves Heaven and comes to earth in Rev 21! Oh no! What shall those in heaven do without the leaves that keep them alive in heaven, since the city with the tree left heaven?! They shall die!



Look at Mike Blume MOCK the Book of Revelation!!!

It cannot be helped by these preterists.

Pretty funny huh, Mike?

You think God was joking about the Tree of Life huh?

You are a sick man, as you attack the Words of the Book of Revelation to attempt to change the meaning to try to vindicate your book....a very sick man!

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Look at Mike Blume MOCK the Book of Revelation!!!
Not at all. It's mocking your interpretation of Revelation. This is how we determine if an interpretation is correct or not. Compare it with what else the bible says about the same subject, and if there's a contradiction then it's the interpretation that's wrong, not the bible.

Since Paul stated clearly that the change of the body in 1 Cor 15 causes mortality to be swallowed up of life, then nothing further is necessary to see saints live forevermore. This means the leaves for healing are not for residents of Heaven, but for the world. that's why the CITY leaves HEAVEN and moves toward the earth.

What you fail to realize, which is clear to everyone else, is that your interpretation of the bible is not by default what God intended the Bible to relate to us. So your nutcase interpretation being mocked is not at all the same as mocking the bible.

Your interpretation contradicts these passages:
1 Corinthians 15:52-55 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (55) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. (54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. (55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
Seeing the dead raised incorruptible informs us the resurrection ALL BY ITSELF renders is immortal. And anyone immortal DOES NOT NEED LEAVES to keep them fro getting sick or stay alive forever. The resurrection itself accomplished that.

It's as nonsensical to say leaves make us immortal after the resurrection itself accomplished that as it is to say Jesus required leaves to be immortal after we read His resurrection itself causes Him to never be susceptible to death again.
Romans 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Romans 6:9 DID NOT say, "Knowing that Christ having eaten leaves from the Tree of Life dieth no more..."

1 Cor 15 DID NOT say, " and the dead shall eat leaves unto incorruption, and we shall be changed..."

In both cases, with Jesus and ourselves, RESURRECTION itself changes the body to become and be made immortal. If leaves keep saints immortal, then the resurrection did nothing for our immortality, and we are as mortal as we are now.

And another scripture that destroys your interpretation and exposes it as the nonsensical ramblings of an amateur bible wannabe-scholar is as follows:
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
THE FRUIT is what would make Adam live forever, not the leaves!

The spiritual truth of it all is that the CROSS is our tree of life, and Christ is the fruit of Life that hanged on the cross for us to partake of His flesh and blood by BELIEVING HIS WORD to receive eternal life.

You diminish the BLOOD AND FLESH OF JESUS that speak of the truths of His death on the cross, that actually gives us eternal life to nothing, in favour of leaves from an actual tree.

The problem with your nonsensical interpretation is that the leaves are not for the saints, anyway. They're for the nations of the world. And they are SIGNS, as Rev 1:1 said they were, of what actually heals nations. No one in heaven needs healing, since no one in heaven is any longer mortal and corruptible. That's why the tree leaves Heaven in the vision and does not remain in heaven.

And to further expose your failure to even so much as read the bible intelligently with a mind that follows comprehensive text, you could not even explain why the Tree is in the City and why the city leaves Heaven, so that the people in heaven can still be healed and prevent sickness and death as they remain in heaven. You could only spout more compounded nonsense on top of nonsense.

Since the resurrection causes mortality to be swallowed up of immortality, then it is utterly ridiculous to say something is required in heaven to ensure the saints live forever.

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Pretty funny huh, Mike?
You are indeed humourous.
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You think God was joking about the Tree of Life huh?
No, I think you're interpretation is a joke.

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You are a sick man, as you attack the Words of the Book of Revelation to attempt to change the meaning to try to vindicate your book....a very sick man![/COLOR]
Liar. I attack the nonsense spouting from your ridiculous imagination that can't tell the difference between biblical imagery, used to point us to reality, and reality itself.

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I dare you!
Yep. "I dare you!" Just like we said: Juvenile and childish words straight from the sand boxes of elementary school.
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Look at Mike Blume MOCK the Book of Revelation!!!

It cannot be helped by these preterists.

Pretty funny huh, Mike?

You think God was joking about the Tree of Life huh?

You are a sick man, as you attack the Words of the Book of Revelation to attempt to change the meaning to try to vindicate your book....a very sick man!
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