The Falacy of "Holy Spirit Prompting."

[Praxeas]

Please prove your assertions regarding Paul

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please prove your assertions regarding Paul

How dare you ask the self-proclaimed Solomon of the day to prove his words.

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It's fallacy, not falacy.

[thephnxman]

The Fallacy of JoReba

Just too numerous to mention.

[JoReba]

Originally Posted by mfblume

How dare you ask the self-proclaimed Solomon of the day to prove his words.

Is that a "Pentecostal" tent you are in, there in your little icon?

[JoReba]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Please prove your assertions regarding Paul

Saul was called an apostle only by himself and by Luke, who had no authority to name anyone as an Apostle

Saul was not called an apostle by any of the Twelve Apostles named by Jesus. Jesus never called Saul an apostle. The Twelve Apostles all had first hand training and commissioning by Jesus, Saul only saw a bright light, fell on the ground, and heard the disembodied voice of Jesus. There are only Twelve Apostles cited in John's Revelation, not 13. In his writings, Saul speaks of himself far more than he does Christ/God/The Lord. For instance, in 2 Cor. 4 he does so more than twice as often. None of the True Apostles ever call themselves "the chief of sinners" or any other derogatory names, but Saul does call himself that. Such a poor self image is not part of authentic Apostleship. Saul did not have doctrinal unity with the Twelve Apostles. The Twelve Apostles did not have any of the kinds of problems Saul had in his churches, hence his large volume of corrective writings. Saul falsely added many ideologies onto Christ's Gospel. For instance, he is the only NT writer to speak such convoluted and contrived nonsense about Grace. Jesus never once spoke the word Grace, and certainly did not demonstrate it as Saul tried to revise it. Revelator John quoted Jesus condemning false apostles at the Church of Ephesus, one of Paul's churches.

I have just done your work for you. I can educate you further, but such would fall on deaf ears and a stone heart. Pity. Saul was the first Professional Church Talker, and he talked so much in violation of Proverbs 10:19 that at one point a young man died. Saul's writings are very easy to preach about today because they are so milque toast and chatty, while Jesus' Words are very difficult to preach on. Jesus' Words are axiomatic, while Saul's are all suppositional.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by JoReba

I can educate you further, but such would fall on deaf ears and a stone heart. Pity.

What an egomaniac.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoReba

Saul was called an apostle only by himself and by Luke, who had no authority to name anyone as an Apostle

Saul was not called an apostle by any of the Twelve Apostles named by Jesus. Jesus never called Saul an apostle. The Twelve Apostles all had first hand training and commissioning by Jesus, Saul only saw a bright light, fell on the ground, and heard the disembodied voice of Jesus. There are only Twelve Apostles cited in John's Revelation, not 13. In his writings, Saul speaks of himself far more than he does Christ/God/The Lord. For instance, in 2 Cor. 4 he does so more than twice as often. None of the True Apostles ever call themselves "the chief of sinners" or any other derogatory names, but Saul does call himself that. Such a poor self image is not part of authentic Apostleship. Saul did not have doctrinal unity with the Twelve Apostles. The Twelve Apostles did not have any of the kinds of problems Saul had in his churches, hence his large volume of corrective writings. Saul falsely added many ideologies onto Christ's Gospel. For instance, he is the only NT writer to speak such convoluted and contrived nonsense about Grace. Jesus never once spoke the word Grace, and certainly did not demonstrate it as Saul tried to revise it. Revelator John quoted Jesus condemning false apostles at the Church of Ephesus, one of Paul's churches.

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Saul was the first Professional Church Talker, and he talked so much in violation of Proverbs 10:19 that at one point a young man died. Saul's writings are very easy to preach about today because they are so milque toast and chatty, while Jesus' Words are very difficult to preach on. Jesus' Words are axiomatic, while Saul's are all suppositional.

Ignore my previous question, as I see you have already made your assertions regarding Paul, here. Most of your claims are negatives, which of course cannot be proven as stated, although they can be refuted, as I will do shortly, Lord willing. However, a common theme seems to be that Paul's doctrine was contrary to Christ's doctrine.

Could you list specific examples, quoting Paul's words, and then quoting Christ's words, to demonstrate they are contradictions?

[JoReba]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Ignore my previous question, as I see you have already made your assertions regarding Paul, here. Most of your claims are negatives, which of course cannot be proven as stated, although they can be refuted, as I will do shortly, Lord willing. However, a common theme seems to be that Paul's doctrine was contrary to Christ's doctrine.

Could you list specific examples, quoting Paul's words, and then quoting Christ's words, to demonstrate they are contradictions?

So simple to do, as I already have started above, Poorly Observant Parrot of Church Nonsense. I will give here only the one example, since you are not capable of multitasking these kinds of things.

Review above my statement that Christ never spoke the word "Grace." Paul endlessly speculated, misrepresented it, and babbled about Grace. Compare Jesus speaking in Matthew 6:14-15 about the works of forgiveness needed for Righteousness, then look at Paul foolishly babbling about Grace apart from works in Ephesians 2:8-9.

If you can grasp this one, I will give you another to learn about. Irrefutable. Lol. So Much fun.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by JoReba

Saul was called an apostle only by himself and by Luke, who had no authority to name anyone as an Apostle

So, right here you discredit 13 letters written by Paul, plus the Gospel account by Luke, and the book of Acts. If you are now scratching the top of your pointy head wondering why I mention the Gospel account of Luke since Paul isn't mentioned anywhere in it, It is only logical that if Luke got it wrong concerning the Apostle Paul he must of got it wrong in anything else he penned. Yet, I don't believe that, but you have to believe that and with that being said what portions of the New Testament do you believe are credible?

Originally Posted by JoReba

Saul was not called an apostle by any of the Twelve Apostles named by Jesus.

Called an apostle by one of the 12? Paul had Peter do way better than that. Peter calls the Paul's writings 'epistles" Scripture, and yes, you are sadly one of the unlearned, unstable who has wrested the scripture and is currently on his way to damnation.

2 Peter 3:15-16

And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved Brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, hath written unto you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things. Therein are some things hard to understand, which those who are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.