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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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This is the truth....
You're right! the LAMB IS JESUS. But I KNOW WHY. I CAN SAY, when you can't say.
Revelation calls Jesus a sign because THE REST OF THE BIBLE SAYS HE IS THE LAMB OF GOD THAT TAKES AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD.
Duh!
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
We read a direct statement that JESUS is mentioned, and John says HE IS THE LAMB. We apply that to Revelation.
Just like Psalm 1 says the tree is a believer and we apply that to Revelation.
THERE IS NOTHING IN REV 22 that says the vision is a picture of REALITIES. In fact, it cannot be realities,
BANG, you just wiped the ENTIRE chapter out right here, Mike!
because you admitted the LAMB is a SIGN OF JESUS and the river is a SIGN of the Holy Ghost. So when you say I am replacing a reality with a sign, that is wrong, because nothing says Rev 22 is reality. Nothing says the LAMB is NOT a reality, either, but you agree it is NOT a reality. So you have no grounds to say PART of Rev 22 is reality and PART is not. Nothing in the chapter says PART is sign and PART is reality.
So, as much as you CANNOT SAY anything about the LAMB, YOU LIKEWISE CANNOT SAY anything about the Tree of life. One chapter gives no more indication than the other chapter about the LAMB. nothing in the chapters about the LAMB say it is a sign any more than anything in Rev 22 says it is NOT a sign.
Sow how do you know which part of Rev 22 is a sign and which is not, if the chapter does not tell you itself?
If you can even follow what I am saying, which is doubtful, you will see you have no grounds to say ANYTHING about our claims of the tree of life. |
You just made your case that the entire chapter of Rev, 22 is not what we see....
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Mike, you need to snap out of your technique, and get your name back in the book, before it is too late
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11-08-2015, 06:50 PM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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You just made your case that the entire chapter of Rev, 22 is not what we see....
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Mike, you need to snap out of your technique, and get your name back in the book, before it is too late
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There he goes again!!!!
You always only make cognitive dissonant distractions and not deal with the actual issue. You take the attention off yourself and desperately try to make ME LOOK BAD by avoiding the issue that you send people to hell for "Simply, to me." You have NO grounds to say Rev 22 is reality because the chapter does not say so, when it issues THE VERY LAMB you say is a sign and the VERY RIVER you say is a sign.
Answer the issue. Your "Simply, to me" doctrine is groundless.
You said the LAMB is not what we see. You said the rivers of living water is NOT WHAT WE SEE. And what is your basis? "Simply, to me."
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11-08-2015, 06:56 PM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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You take the attention off yourself and desperately try to make ME LOOK BAD by avoiding the issue that you send people to hell for "Simply, to me."
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Oh, that's Sean using KJV Jude 23 to save us.
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11-08-2015, 06:59 PM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
Can't you feel the Love. 
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11-08-2015, 08:17 PM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
While u boys been scrappin it out the last 5 pages, my 11 yr old daughter got buried w Christ in baptism this evening 
Praise break!
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11-08-2015, 08:20 PM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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"all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed."
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11-08-2015, 08:28 PM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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While u boys been scrappin it out the last 5 pages, my 11 yr old daughter got buried w Christ in baptism this evening
Praise break!
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Woohoo! At least one part of the evening wasn't wasted.
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11-08-2015, 09:13 PM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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Woohoo! At least one part of the evening wasn't wasted.
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You can say that again!
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11-09-2015, 08:06 AM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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While u boys been scrappin it out the last 5 pages, my 11 yr old daughter got buried w Christ in baptism this evening
Praise break!
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Praise Jesus.
That is what it is all about!
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11-09-2015, 08:03 AM
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Re: Changing To Preterism from Rapture Doctrine
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There he goes again!!!!
You always only make cognitive dissonant distractions and not deal with the actual issue. You take the attention off yourself and desperately try to make ME LOOK BAD by avoiding the issue that you send people to hell for "Simply, to me." You have NO grounds to say Rev 22 is reality because the chapter does not say so, when it issues THE VERY LAMB you say is a sign and the VERY RIVER you say is a sign.
Answer the issue. Your "Simply, to me" doctrine is groundless.
You said the LAMB is not what we see. You said the rivers of living water is NOT WHAT WE SEE. And what is your basis? "Simply, to me." |
Mike, we are here it seems, to play a little game of wit matching.
But really, there are 2 perspectives here.
Perspective #1(mine).....I am trying my best to keep the passage intact and minimize any foreign ideas into the passage. I want to see what John was saying in the passage.
Perspective #2(yours)......You want to try your best to make the passage say something entirely different, using typology and metaphors, reading a passage with sarcasm(at times) at the wording, ready to find other hidden meanings.
There is a passage that the Lord used, that we see in no other book of the Bible.
It is a direct threat to anyone that tampers with it's contents.(do you realize that misquoting this book can d....n a soul?)
I dread the thought of being lost over this passage....
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
This passage, is the center of my reasoning when trying to figure out what this book is saying.
I view your stance as so extreme, that this passage was, and is speaking of folks like you, that would come in the future to reason away the words of the book as you do.
Jesus KNEW that preterism would rise in the future and spoke accordingly.
I can only give you this word of advice.....
Let this passage be your premise as you attempt to "discipher" Revelations.
You will be less apt to re-invent meanings of entire chapters again
Last edited by Sean; 11-09-2015 at 08:24 AM.
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