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[shazeep]

i am surprised, VS. How is the 711 person "sinning?"

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i am surprised, VS. How is the 711 person "sinning?"

Start another thread.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i am surprised, VS. How is the 711 person "sinning?"

Immodest exposure of the human body, often the cause of lustful attraction in men, but also in women, misses of the mark of God's glory, which is His righteousness.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

Immodest exposure of the human body, often the cause of lustful attraction in men, but also in women, misses of the mark of God's glory, which is His righteousness.

What was exposed, beyond bad taste or whatever? I'll tell you; your sensibilities are exposed. You are offended, yes? How do you offend a Christian?

I mean, if that is a sin, and a temptation, then a black guy with his pants down around his thighs is no problem, right, because everything is covered enough to call "modest" by some standard--at least not sexually overt. Yet we experience pretty much the same offense at this, yes? what is breast feeding in public?

So the fault lies with the eye and the eyer. Imo it is a trap to be offended, just as it admittedly is to offend also. Yes, she is pretty obviously attention seeking, and messed up; don't get me wrong. So don't be looking. EB, hopefully you see how this goes to the point, even though it is just a hypothetical.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

EB, hopefully you see how this goes to the point, even though it is just a hypothetical.

I didn't bring up the pajama wearing female for any reason of immodesty.

How about this, guy walks into Dixie Pig with his pants hanging around his thighs his underwear are obviously dirty, dirtier then my mechanic rags in the trunk of my car. He is wear dirty socks with slippers. Immodesty is the least of this guy's problems. What I'm trying to point out is that toenail clippers, shampoo, deodorant, shaving cream, and Ivory soap, is used by saint and sinner alike. Church isn't even required to maintain some sort of reasonable clean appearance. If the guy (and gal) showed up in church no one would expect them to look like movie stars, but someone who has been in the church for 40 years should at least be able to brush their teeth.

Oh, the guy with the droopy draws, got out of a 2015 white Mercedes, handed me his church card when he saw my Bible on the table.

[shazeep]

good points--but i would say beware of being that "people should stop doing _______" guy, when God prolly wants you to be that guy who does not take offense. Ever.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I didn't bring up the pajama wearing female for any reason of immodesty.

How about this, guy walks into Dixie Pig with his pants hanging around his thighs his underwear are obviously dirty, dirtier then my mechanic rags in the trunk of my car. He is wear dirty socks with slippers. Immodesty is the least of this guy's problems. What I'm trying to point out is that toenail clippers, shampoo, deodorant, shaving cream, and Ivory soap, is used by saint and sinner alike. Church isn't even required to maintain some sort of reasonable clean appearance. If the guy (and gal) showed up in church no one would expect them to look like movie stars, but someone who has been in the church for 40 years should at least be able to brush their teeth.

Oh, the guy with the droopy draws, got out of a 2015 white Mercedes, handed me his church card when he saw my Bible on the table.

ok, so obviously not meaning to offend. It goes back to "How do you offend a Christian?" and the correct answer being of course "You cannot," you are left trying to justify your position, even if he was naked.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

good points--but i would say beware of being that "people should stop doing _______" guy, when God prolly wants you to be that guy who does not take offense. Ever.
ok, so obviously not meaning to offend. It goes back to "How do you offend a Christian?" and the correct answer being of course "You cannot," you are left trying to justify your position, even if he was naked.

It isn't about A Christian being offended? This is all about teaching people that walking bent over and dragging their knuckles isn't a good look. While the 1970s 80s 90s taught us that casual and grunge were the same but different. Sometimes the church adopts a profile of bare minimum, while some in the thread whine like a little girl (these days even boys) over suits. Some preachers who wear suits don't even take care of them. Or, don't even know how to tie a tie, and throw the loop over the head. Making the knot irrecognizable. It is one thing to demand suit wearing or no suit wearing. But wearing a suit that looks like you slept in it doesn't help the look. Senior Elder Billy Adams in Pensacola polished his shoes. I seen shoes that look like the brother was working construction in them. God saw Adam and Eve wearing fig leaf belts, and gave them full coats of skins. It looks like in this country we will be back in fig leaf belts. Just this time they will be very wrinkled.

Anyway this thread topic started with David Wilkerson getting upset because a UPCer supposedly said something off color across a General Conference pulpit. I don't believe anything was ever said like that across a GC pulpit, because if it ever was said, the haters would of had it bronzed. But the focus should be on DW's response to what was said by one minister. People tend to give up on something at the slightest offense. When I first came to Christianity I was offended from jump street, because I have full arm tattoos almost on my hands. When ministers saw the tattoos they would zone in on me, and make comments. Sometimes down right uncool. But the thing is this, I knew what these Apostolics had was way cooler, and more honest then anything I ever experienced in my life. David Wilkerson probably thought that when he passed gas it was equivalent to the smell of fresh baked bread. Who knows, DW never impressed me, so his opinion on the One God Apostolic movement doesn't rate in my book. While people made harsh judgements concerning my look when I came into the church, I kept moving forward. While somethings I don't agree with that maybe in the Apostolic movement, they are still the best Christian movement on the planet.

Too bad David Wilkerson didn't stay and learn something, even though I doubt he ever attended a GC.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It isn't about A Christian being offended? This is all about teaching people that walking bent over and dragging their knuckles isn't a good look.

everybody wants to be a teacher, no one wants to be a student