Obsessed with Church

[Esaias]

The church ain't a building made with hands. Quit rebelling against that which isn't.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Esaias

The church ain't a building made with hands. Quit rebelling against that which isn't.

You see this is one of the problems. We present a honest question with logical arguments and get labeled rebellious.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by allstate1

You see this is one of the problems. We present a honest question with logical arguments and get labeled rebellious.

You misunderstand me. By "rebel" I mean object to, refuse to go along with, etc. I suggested you stop rebelling AGAINST THAT WHICH ISN'T. In other words, you are in opposition to something that isn't a reality. God dwells in his church - the ekklesia, the called out body of believers. Not a building.

Hope that's clearer.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Esaias

You misunderstand me. By "rebel" I mean object to, refuse to go along with, etc. I suggested you stop rebelling AGAINST THAT WHICH ISN'T. In other words, you are in opposition to something that isn't a reality. God dwells in his church - the ekklesia, the called out body of believers. Not a building.

Hope that's clearer.

ok understood. Hypothetically, you are pastor of local church, I attend once every couple months. What would you consider me?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by allstate1

ok understood. Hypothetically, you are pastor of local church, I attend once every couple months. What would you consider me?

I would consider you as someone who is afraid of commitment and afraid to enter into a relationship with others in following after God. I would welcome your visits but you can't be JOINED to people unless you actually JOIN TOGETHER with them. I would consider you to be missing out on a lot, and as being stunted in your growth in the Lord, and needing to be released from the bondage of SELF into the liberty of Christ.

If you have the Holy Ghost then God wants YOU to help your brethren. Ask not what your church can do for you. But ask what can you do for your brethren.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I would consider you as someone who is afraid of commitment and afraid to enter into a relationship with others in following after God. I would welcome your visits but you can't be JOINED to people unless you actually JOIN TOGETHER with them. I would consider you to be missing out on a lot, and as being stunted in your growth in the Lord, and needing to be released from the bondage of SELF into the liberty of Christ.

If you have the Holy Ghost then God wants YOU to help your brethren. Ask not what your church can do for you. But ask what can you do for your brethren.

For reasons I don't have time to discuss, I don't like people at all don't wanna be around them. Don't feel the desire or need to be around anyone. Don't remember reading where being joined is a salvational requirement. Work out your owns souls salvation. Its like this, for 17 years I was forced to go everytime the doors where open. This meant many nights of revival even on school nights . When I was high school age this meant church attendance before hours of homework. This alone wore me out. I noticed a lot of things were covered up by church attendance. Anyway.... I still wanna know why one refuses to miss a service even because of illness.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by allstate1

For reasons I don't have time to discuss, I don't like people at all don't wanna be around them. Don't feel the desire or need to be around anyone. Don't remember reading where being joined is a salvational requirement. Work out your owns souls salvation.

You have fallen victim to the myth of "a personal relationship with God". Salvation doesn't occur in a vacuum. We are added to the Body - that IS salvation. We have obeyed the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned live of the brethren, and we are see that we love one another fervently. THAT is Bible salvation.

Did you get it? Did you get it? Did you get it like the Bible says?

Cause you will need it. Yes, you will need it. O you will need it like the Bible says.

And you can have it! Yeah you can have it, you can have it like the Bible says!

O don't you want it? Don't you want it? Don't you want it like the Bible says?

I know I got it! O yes I got it, I know I got it like Bible says!

I - in the flesh - could easily survive alone on a deserted island. I do not get "lonely" if nobody's around. I generally PREFER to be alone, in fact.

But now I do not know anyone after the flesh. If you have the Holy Ghost, you need not relate to anyone after the flesh. Personalities become irrelevant. The Holy Ghost in you relates to the Holy Ghost in the brethren. THAT'S where God is trying to get us to - a true life IN THE SPIRIT.