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canam · #1 03-21-2016, 09:12 AM

I can think of one in texas that was passed on and its shocking to see the changes @ cornerstone ,not sure how you could anticipate it though !

houston · #2 03-21-2016, 09:13 AM

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I can think of one in texas that was passed on and its shocking to see the changes @ cornerstone ,not sure how you could anticipate it though !

Is there a website?

CC1 · #3 03-21-2016, 09:25 AM

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Is there a website?

http://cornerstonefortworth.org/

Of course I am very excited about Cornerstone and Steve Pixler's changes!

aegsm76 · #4 03-21-2016, 09:36 AM

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http://cornerstonefortworth.org/

Of course I am very excited about Cornerstone and Steve Pixler's changes!

CC - I am sure you are. And you can be sure that I am not. I will defer to someone's opinion who used to be a prominent poster, here.
She and her husband also became convinced of the non-essentiality of some of the UPC teachings.
However, they left the church which they were pastoring and went and started another, in a different area of the country.
She stated that it was not right to attempt to move a church from those basic doctrines and that you would end up destroying people when you did it.
She was and still is right.
I still have the utmost respect for her and her husband.

CC1 · #5 03-21-2016, 10:02 AM

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CC - I am sure you are. And you can be sure that I am not. I will defer to someone's opinion who used to be a prominent poster, here.
She and her husband also became convinced of the non-essentiality of some of the UPC teachings.
However, they left the church which they were pastoring and went and started another, in a different area of the country.
She stated that it was not right to attempt to move a church from those basic doctrines and that you would end up destroying people when you did it.
She was and still is right.
I still have the utmost respect for her and her husband.

I think it all depends on how you do it. The mistake a lot of pastors make is that they will put on a congregation changes in thinking that took them years to get to in too short of a time frame.

I remember several decades ago talking to a UPC preacher who had visited a prominent exUPC Pastor seeking advice on how to implement change and he said that pastor told him that it was like steering a large, long ship. You had to tack slowly and make wide turns. I would add to that metaphor that sudden changes in directions causes some people to be thrown out of the ship and some end up drowning.

You are correct that sudden change will make some people feel as if the rug has been pulled out from under them and can end up destroying people. This comes back to the aspects of psychological conditioning that goes on in any type of intense indoctrination. I know it makes people angry when I say this but it is only natural that when you are taught week after week, year after year, a set of doctrines and rules it becomes your mental measuring stick of right and wrong so anything that controverts that causes confusion and guilt. People need to be brought along over time to look afresh at the Bible and christian teachings.

aegsm76 · #6 03-21-2016, 12:05 PM

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I think it all depends on how you do it. The mistake a lot of pastors make is that they will put on a congregation changes in thinking that took them years to get to in too short of a time frame.

I remember several decades ago talking to a UPC preacher who had visited a prominent exUPC Pastor seeking advice on how to implement change and he said that pastor told him that it was like steering a large, long ship. You had to tack slowly and make wide turns. I would add to that metaphor that sudden changes in directions causes some people to be thrown out of the ship and some end up drowning.

You are correct that sudden change will make some people feel as if the rug has been pulled out from under them and can end up destroying people. This comes back to the aspects of psychological conditioning that goes on in any type of intense indoctrination. I know it makes people angry when I say this but it is only natural that when you are taught week after week, year after year, a set of doctrines and rules it becomes your mental measuring stick of right and wrong so anything that controverts that causes confusion and guilt. People need to be brought along over time to look afresh at the Bible and christian teachings.

It's interesting to see that we agree on some of this, but from totally different sides of the issue.
"All things are lawful unto me, but all things are not expedient".

consapente89 · #7 03-21-2016, 07:08 PM

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I think it all depends on how you do it. The mistake a lot of pastors make is that they will put on a congregation changes in thinking that took them years to get to in too short of a time frame.

I remember several decades ago talking to a UPC preacher who had visited a prominent exUPC Pastor seeking advice on how to implement change and he said that pastor told him that it was like steering a large, long ship. You had to tack slowly and make wide turns. I would add to that metaphor that sudden changes in directions causes some people to be thrown out of the ship and some end up drowning.

You are correct that sudden change will make some people feel as if the rug has been pulled out from under them and can end up destroying people. This comes back to the aspects of psychological conditioning that goes on in any type of intense indoctrination. I know it makes people angry when I say this but it is only natural that when you are taught week after week, year after year, a set of doctrines and rules it becomes your mental measuring stick of right and wrong so anything that controverts that causes confusion and guilt. People need to be brought along over time to look afresh at the Bible and christian teachings.

What you speak of is subtility. Same tactic the serpent used in the garden. It's worked well for people who want to steer the Ship of the Church into apostasy.

CC1 · #8 03-21-2016, 08:43 PM

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What you speak of is subtility. Same tactic the serpent used in the garden. It's worked well for people who want to steer the Ship of the Church into apostasy.

It is also the method used to open peoples eyes that have been bound in legalism and extra biblical teachings. It is amazing what happens when you start teaching what is actually in the bible and not traditions of men.