Psychology: Science or Religion?

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Chan

My aversion to it is that it is a wordly philosophy and, as such, it has no place in the Church.

Not even if it helps people to become less worldly and more godly?

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Not even if it helps people to become less worldly and more godly?

If'n it does good, it can't be bad, cause every good and perfect gift comes down from the Father of lights.........

Maybe a little mental help would be in order for most of us..........


PS. MOW where you been? Haven't seen you around for a few days.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Chan

Any philosophy (a form of "wisdom") that is not of God is of the world and is, therefore, evil.

I would revise your statement to say that any philosophy that contradicts the word of God is evil. And where any psychology or psychiatry contradicts God's word, it should be avoided and disregarded.


Lu. 9:50 "But Jesus said to him, "Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side."

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Not even if it helps people to become less worldly and more godly?

There is nothing that is of the world that can ever help anyone become less worldly - I'm really surprised that you would even suggest such a thing.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I would revise your statement to say that any philosophy that contradicts the word of God is evil. And where any psychology or psychiatry contradicts God's word, it should be avoided and disregarded.


Lu. 9:50 "But Jesus said to him, "Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side."

Just by being of the world they contradict the word of God. Worldly philosophies are part of that which the Bible refers to as "the world" in such passages as "love not the world" and, as such, they are enemies of God.

Originally Posted by RevDWW

If'n it does good, it can't be bad, cause every good and perfect gift comes down from the Father of lights.........

Maybe a little mental help would be in order for most of us..........


PS. MOW where you been? Haven't seen you around for a few days.

There is none good but God.

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Chan

There is nothing that is of the world that can ever help anyone become less worldly - I'm really surprised that you would even suggest such a thing.

A cross, nails and a tomb can!

Originally Posted by RevDWW

A cross, nails and a tomb can!

No, a cross in itself is meaningless. Nails in themselves are meaningless. Tombs in themselves are meaningless. It is only that Jesus - God's only begotten Son - was nailed to a cross and, after He died upon that cross, was laid in a borrowed tomb until God raised Him from the dead.

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

If'n it does good, it can't be bad, cause every good and perfect gift comes down from the Father of lights.........

Maybe a little mental help would be in order for most of us..........


PS. MOW where you been? Haven't seen you around for a few days.

Been busy with "pastor stuff," meetings and such. You know, working with people.

Originally Posted by Chan

There is nothing that is of the world that can ever help anyone become less worldly - I'm really surprised that you would even suggest such a thing.

What I am suggesting is that something that may not seem to come from God's word but doesn't contradict God's, which may even make it in harmony with God's word, can indeed help people.

Originally Posted by Chan

Just by being of the world they contradict the word of God. Worldly philosophies are part of that which the Bible refers to as "the world" in such passages as "love not the world" and, as such, they are enemies of God.

If it is not contradicting God's word, can we so easily label it "worldly" and not of God?

For instance, the study of personality types may not be an exact "science" but it is fairly "right on target" and does quite a bit to help people understand why they have difficulties with different people and understand themselves as well. This does not take away from God's word which states how we are to treat each other, regardless of personality types.

A good understanding helps us all deal with the "idiots" who surround us. Oh, BTW, we ALL are an "idiot" in someone else's eyes.

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

What I am suggesting is that something that may not seem to come from God's word but doesn't contradict God's, which may even make it in harmony with God's word, can indeed help people.

Whether it contradicts God's word or not is irrelevant; it's whether it is from God or from the world - if it is from the world, it is from God's enemy.

If it is not contradicting God's word, can we so easily label it "worldly" and not of God?

Everything that is of the world is "worldly." It isn't about whether it contradict's God's word, it's about the origin of it. Where the origin is of the world, it is not of God and is, therefore, an enemy of God.

For instance, the study of personality types may not be an exact "science" but it is fairly "right on target" and does quite a bit to help people understand why they have difficulties with different people and understand themselves as well. This does not take away from God's word which states how we are to treat each other, regardless of personality types.

The very notion of "personality types" is based in worldly wisdom and, thus, is not of God. Such things have no place in the Church.

A good understanding helps us all deal with the "idiots" who surround us. Oh, BTW, we ALL are an "idiot" in someone else's eyes.

Any "understanding" (wisdom) that is not based solely in God's word is not of God and, thus, is not real understanding.

What do you have against idiots that you feel the need to insult them by saying we are all idiots in someone's eyes?