The Christian Right - Page 2

Esaias · #11 05-19-2016, 05:35 PM

"Whatever we do, let's make sure it ain't in line with God's commands. That way we can be FREEEEEEEE!"

good samaritan · #12 05-19-2016, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Esphes45

I'm not saying that.

What I am saying is that the Christian Right should not be trying to legislate the bible. They should concentrate on living the bible and let their light shine.

Realize that everyone in the US is not a Christian and people have the right NOT to be one. Freedom of religion, Freedom to choose, Separation of church and state.

All voting Americans vote their values whether it be Christian or atheist. Why is it that Christians tell other Christians not to vote for their values?

Does any of the US citizens make laws? We vote for representatives to stand in for us and our values.

If we elected Christians that sought government offices we might see a difference in some of the legislating in this country and it would be done through democracy. It would be fair across the board.

The thing is that the horrible laws being passed is because of our elected government. Whom we the American people are electing. We can't instantly change the government, but we certainly can try to change the voters. The Muslims may be wrong in their methods but they have the right idea. To overwhelm others by their numbers. We need to see more people saved. Over time the Lord willing it will change the nation.

I agree that Christians should act like Christians even when things aren't going their way.

Jito463 · #13 05-20-2016, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Esphes45

are for laws that want to prohibit abortion

So, in your opinion, we should do nothing to stop the baby genocide that's going on in America? 59 million dead since Roe Vs. Wade, and still counting. Let that number sink in, 59 million. 59,000,000.

Let's just turn our heads and ignore the death, shall we?

shazeep · #14 05-20-2016, 02:45 PM

just don't get an abortion, maybe? I mean, murder is against the law, how many people have been murdered since then?

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All voting Americans vote their values whether it be Christian or atheist. Why is it that Christians tell other Christians not to vote for their values?

because voting implies acceptance of and fealty to a human government, and is a rejection of God. We vote for people, not values, strictly speaking; except in a referendum, which of course the ptb strive to avoid.

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If we elected Christians that sought government offices we might see a difference in some of the legislating in this country and it would be done through democracy.

i think most of your polits are professing Christians, GS, and they have got us to here. Democracy is just the latest fashion for a whore, at the end of the day.

good samaritan · #15 05-20-2016, 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

because voting implies acceptance of and fealty to a human government, and is a rejection of God. We vote for people, not values, strictly speaking; except in a referendum, which of course the ptb strive to avoid.

I disagree with you on Christians not voting. Of course we vote for people, but the character of the person is what everyone is looking for. Our character is made up of a value system that a person has. As far as this election goes, I don't think I can in good conscious vote.

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i think most of your polits are professing Christians, GS, and they have got us to here. Democracy is just the latest fashion for a whore, at the end of the day.

That is why we need a revival of the people. We need to see a change in our definition of what it means to be a Christian in this country. Any human government will become corrupt when it turns from God. Democracy is not what made this country great, but it has been blessings of God. The two greatest commandments is love God and love fellow man. If those two commandments be at the foundation of any government then you will see a blessed people.

Originalist · #16 05-20-2016, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

just don't get an abortion, maybe? I mean, murder is against the law, how many people have been murdered since then?
because voting implies acceptance of and fealty to a human government, and is a rejection of God. We vote for people, not values, strictly speaking; except in a referendum, which of course the ptb strive to avoid.
i think most of your polits are professing Christians, GS, and they have got us to here. Democracy is just the latest fashion for a whore, at the end of the day.

That's like saying that accepting a job implies acceptance of and fealty to human provision , and is a rejection of God.

shazeep · #17 05-21-2016, 09:18 AM

well, i won't argue the point--1 Sam 8 seems pretty clear to me--so i might just ask how you would overcome what GS is pointing out; that one is pretty obviously being asked to choose which evil now? Also, it seems to me that just contemplating who Jesus would vote for would settle the issue for a Christian.

mfblume · #18 05-21-2016, 09:24 AM

Esaias is right. Can't force sinners to obey the Word. Ain't gonna happen, and God woun't bless it.

Esphes45 · #19 05-21-2016, 01:24 PM

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Esaias is right. Can't force sinners to obey the Word. Ain't gonna happen, and God woun't bless it.

Bingo! Somebody gets it! That's not what God intended. God won't bless it!

Esphes45 · #20 05-21-2016, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Jito463

So, in your opinion, we should do nothing to stop the baby genocide that's going on in America? 59 million dead since Roe Vs. Wade, and still counting. Let that number sink in, 59 million. 59,000,000.

Let's just turn our heads and ignore the death, shall we?

If you want to do something about it - live the life, witness to folks, be a light, preach the gospel.