Elephant in the room - accusation of judging

[shazeep]

What do you conclude about what's required for salvation in light of those who never believed in the cross?

i conclude that they better be seeking their own salvation, and i better be manifesting life, more abundantly and love your neighbor to them first and foremost if i claim to be following Christ. But if i say that the Pents across the street have some splinter in their eye, and i can't even get along with them spiritually, then all muslims are lost just becomes another symptom, like half of the congregation being divorced or whatever, troubling enough on its own.

And stating that you just believe all muslims are lost because the Bible says so is denying that you are in lock-step with the state who is drone bombing them, even if you would never, what, preach it or whatever, like this belief of yours would not manifest in...well, what you have now. I have no sons, to turn into Christian Patriots to feed Molech, and "defend" cheap oil and a fake dollar while millions suffer and die, Mike. I have no daughters, to do what i most fear, while i argue that my private thoughts are inconsequential.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

What do you conclude about what's required for salvation in light of those who never believed in the cross?

i conclude that they better be seeking their own salvation, and i better be manifesting life, more abundantly and love your neighbor to them first and foremost if i claim to be following Christ.

So, you see no bearing on you from Ezekiel 3's warning to watchmen to warn others of danger? In your theology you seem to have no room fo Ezekiel 3 and warning anyone else about anything regarding the gospel. Makes me feel bad for the pastor who rents his church to us in Winnipeg who entitled his work. "Watchmen For the nations."

But if i say that the Pents across the street have some splinter in their eye, and i can't even get along with them spiritually, then all muslims are lost just becomes another symptom, like half of the congregation being divorced or whatever, troubling enough on its own.

Agreed. And if I were concerned over contrasting people's groups like you think I am, I would be wrong. I'm in need of a lot of correcting as we all are, and I have not yet arrived. However, contrasting groups with me is not something I engage in the way you think I do.

And stating that you just believe all muslims are lost because the Bible says so is denying that you are in lock-step with the state who is drone bombing them, even if you would never, what, preach it or whatever, like this belief of yours would not manifest in...well, what you have now.

Sorry, but the US government did not simply glance at the bible's need for faith in the cross and causally start bombing the middle east as I have casually remarked they're lost. Seriously, you even called it obsession, when it's so far from anything I hardly think of, and was so until you made a mountain out of a casual reference.

I have no sons, to turn into Christian Patriots to feed Molech, and "defend" cheap oil and a fake dollar while millions suffer and die, Mike. I have no daughters, to do what i most fear, while i argue that my private thoughts are inconsequential.

Sorry, I'm not the government no matter how much you think I am.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

So, you see no bearing on you from Ezekiel 3's warning to watchmen to warn others of danger? In your theology you seem to have no room fo Ezekiel 3 and warning anyone else about anything regarding the gospel.

well, see that that may be what i am doing for you, not what you are doing to...everyone else.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Agreed. And if I were concerned over contrasting people's groups like you think I am, I would be wrong. I'm in need of a lot of correcting as we all are, and I have not yet arrived. However, contrasting groups with me is not something I engage in the way you think I do.

i understand that, you are not actively engaged in attacking other beliefs; but you still hold that all Catholics are lost, meaning you trust in your gauge for "lost" or "saved," but we are assured that God judges the heart, and we have many examples of salvation outside of your formula, so you seem to be believing two mutually exclusive things.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Sorry, but the US government did not simply glance at the bible's need for faith in the cross and causally start bombing the middle east as I have casually remarked they're lost. Seriously, you even called it obsession, when it's so far from anything I hardly think of, and was so until you made a mountain out of a casual reference.

This mindset could be said to describe the whole country, and speaks to our hearts, and i give you credit for even saying it, at least you have the courage of your convictions.

You have accepted a doctrine that suggests that all who do not have your grasp of the Pauline Epistles are condemned, and i have just tried to present other Scripture that calls that into question, and suggests a return to what was "sufficient for them," before your doctrine became established, and became your "horse."

i call it an obsession because the news seems pretty obsessed with it, huh? Like Commies before them, and that's where all our bases are, where a bunch of our money goes, etc. Of course to you it is just a truism, even something you could say in humility, and it is just a coincidence that it happens to be in line with Gov policies.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Sorry, I'm not the government no matter how much you think I am.

no, but you represent the thinking of the religious right, and you will be known by your company.