Does God have a father?

[shazeep]

you put Christ in the place of God in that passage, when just reading a bit further down possibly clarifies the point

5Then the One seated on the throne said, “Look! I am making everything new.” He also said, “Write, because these wordsr are faithful and true.”s 6And He said to me, “It is done!t I am the •Alpha and the Omega,u the Beginning and the End.v I will give water as a gift to the thirstyw from the spring of life.x 7The victory will inherit these things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.z 8But the cowards, unbelievers,aa vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liarsab — their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur,ac which is the second death.” ad

The New Jerusalem

9Then one of the seven angels, who had held the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues,ae came and spoke with me: “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10He then carried me away in the Spirit...

wherein we see one of the seven angels refer to Christ, as they both stand before God, the One on the throne.

[mfblume]

One verse does not cancel out the other. Christ is God manifest in flesh.

One of the seven angels is not Christ. Christ is alpha and Omega which is one of His kind. Angels don't allow anyone to bow down or worship them.


No angel was ever invited to sit with the Father on his throne

Heb 1:13 KJV But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

[shazeep]

but regardless, the point is that

Originally Posted by seguidordejesus

Did we decide if God had a father or not?

The Bible says Jesus has a father. Is that the same thing?

is surely not the same thing.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

One verse does not cancel out the other. Christ is God manifest in flesh.

One of the seven angels is not Christ. Christ is alpha and Omega which is one of His kind. Angels don't allow anyone to bow down or worship them.


No angel was ever invited to sit with the Father on his throne

Heb 1:13 KJV But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

this does not seem to be in reply to my post, so i'm not sure what this means. One verse does not cancel out the other? I think i get you tho; but it sure seems to torture the syntax, i mean would not the angel have just said "come, i will show you His bride," rather than make reference to "the lamb" as a different subject than the One they were standing in front of?

I mean, aren't you saying here that God is trying to trick me into believing that God and the Lamb are two different persons, using syntax? I mean, i am open here, and i'll look at some other versions, but i doubt that it will change. Do you see a translation that phrases this differently?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

this does not seem to be in reply to my post, so i'm not sure what this means. One verse does not cancel out the other?

You said reading down a bit clarifies things. It seemed you imply yes the verse is true about Christ being alpha and omega, but yet you claim later on we read the alpha and omega (by implication is an angel. That would make one verse cancel out another. The alpha and omega is God and a believe is His son. One of the angels cannot be God.

And Rev 1 has the Alpha and Omega calling Himself the Almighty, and John sees the son of man speaking those words.

And since Hebrews 1 says God did not tell any angel to sit with Him on his right hand, that means Christ cannot be an angel either. In fact, much of the whole first chapter of Hebrews is contrasting angels from Christ.

I think i get you tho; but it sure seems to torture the syntax, i mean would not the angel have just said "come, i will show you His bride," rather than make reference to "the lamb" as a different subject than the One they were standing in front of?

That is of no consequence. Old English, and Greek, writes differently in many instances.

[shazeep]

The victory will inherit these things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son

also, aren't you now positing sons for Christ, with this position?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You said reading down a bit clarifies things.

yes, meaning that the angel referred to the Lamb in the third person, at the bottom of the quote.

[shazeep]

That is of no consequence. Old English, and Greek, writes differently in many instances.

um, and teams of dedicated Spirit led scribes are not able to translate the meaning into comprehendable English? Again i am not sure what you are intending, and i doubt that it is this.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

The victory will inherit these things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son

also, aren't you now positing sons for Christ, with this position?

You really never understood oneness, did you?

How can the SON OF MAN say He is Almighty? He's God manifest in flesh.

How can Christ say He is alpha and omega?

God manifest in flesh.

How can Christ say He is our Father? He's God manifest in flesh.

I find most critics of oneness betray their lack of understanding the oneness doctrine by their questions. As I said..... it's Oneness 101.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, meaning that the angel referred to the Lamb in the third person, at the bottom of the quote.

So?