Does God have a father?

[shazeep]

yes, but you say "earlier" when we are in the same vision, the same passage, in Scripture:

5Then the One seated on the throne said, “Look! I am making everything new.” He also said, “Write, because these wordsr are faithful and true.”s 6And He said to me, “It is done!t I am the •Alpha and the Omega,u the Beginning and the End.v I will give water as a gift to the thirstyw from the spring of life.x 7The victory will inherit these things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.z 8But the cowards, unbelievers,aa vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liarsab — their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur,ac which is the second death.” 9Then one of the seven angels, who had held the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues,ae came and spoke with me: “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10He then carried me away in the Spirit...

and John is not "carried away" until after the reference, so while i do understand the Isaiah reference to Christ as God--which is likely meant as "God's proxy" when the rest of Scripture is taken into account anyway--it seems that the angel goes to some length here to differentiate the two persons/offices, as in other parts of Scripture.

Of course you won't see it that way, that's cool; but i'm wondering now what the point is? If there are 279 million Pentecostals worldwide, and 17 million of them are oneness, it seems to me that in addressing things Apostolic a more Trinny mindset would be the default, and not oneness? But i don't know the breakdown on AFF, maybe i'm wrong.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by shazeep

yes, but you say "earlier" when we are in the same vision, the same passage, in Scripture:

5Then the One seated on the throne said, “Look! I am making everything new.” He also said, “Write, because these wordsr are faithful and true.”s 6And He said to me, “It is done!t I am the •Alpha and the Omega,u the Beginning and the End.v I will give water as a gift to the thirstyw from the spring of life.x 7The victory will inherit these things, and I will be his God, and he will be My son.z 8But the cowards, unbelievers,aa vile, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liarsab — their share will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur,ac which is the second death.” 9Then one of the seven angels, who had held the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues,ae came and spoke with me: “Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10He then carried me away in the Spirit...

and John is not "carried away" until after the reference, so while i do understand the Isaiah reference to Christ as God--which is likely meant as "God's proxy" when the rest of Scripture is taken into account anyway--it seems that the angel goes to some length here to differentiate the two persons/offices, as in other parts of Scripture.

Of course you won't see it that way, that's cool; but i'm wondering now what the point is? If there are 279 million Pentecostals worldwide, and 17 million of them are oneness, it seems to me that in addressing things Apostolic a more Trinny mindset would be the default, and not oneness? But i don't know the breakdown on AFF, maybe i'm wrong.

“Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10He then carried me away in the Spirit...

...This takes him into another vision.

I still do not see your point of third person pronoun. There's nothing wrong with the syntax and what I am proposing.

Are you saying that if Jesus was the alpha and omega in Rev 21, like it says he is in Rev 1, then the angel would not have used the reference to Him in the third person? I see no problem with that. Please explain why that does not fit, and give examples. You're not being clear, wadr, as you often aren't.

Whether Jon saw Jesus standing there or not, the words used by the angel do not violate the idea Jesus