Conundrum: Not saved by works. Condemned by them?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

you give Anarchy a bad rap here, E; it is not Chaos.

Can you identify what your post has to do with my post?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Can you identify what your post has to do with my post?

you have presented a view of works as consistent with law and i ascribe to a different model, which is why i thought it best to merely point out that while we are programmed to believe Anarchy is "absence of laws" nothing could be further from the truth, and this misconception is necessary to support the idea that we need human rulers.

applying works to grace presents a different conception, but you were just using the model that comes...well, naturally to us, the crime/punishment law thing, for deeds (which are not works, imo) considered "evil" under the law, when good deeds, which the law does not address, will not save one either, right?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by shazeep

you have presented a view of works as consistent with law and i ascribe to a different model, which is why i thought it best to merely point out that while we are programmed to believe Anarchy is "absence of laws" nothing could be further from the truth, and this misconception is necessary to support the idea that we need human rulers.

applying works to grace presents a different conception, but you were just using the model that comes...well, naturally to us, the crime/punishment law thing, for deeds (which are not works, imo) considered "evil" under the law, when good deeds, which the law does not address, will not save one either, right?

The model I am following is derived from reading the Bible's statements. I am not sure you have correctly identified the elements of that model however. And as a result you are misinterpreting what I said.