Elephant in the room - accusation of judging

mfblume · #1 07-11-2016, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

29Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

8Your message is to be sound beyond reproach, so that the opponent will be ashamed, having nothing bad to say about us.

Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.

22Therefore, consider God's kindness and severity: severity toward those who have fallen but God's kindness toward you--if you remain in His kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

32For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.

And...? No explanation of context and application.

Why is this so prevalent on forums. It's like we say Israel progressed into the new covenant and God sees the church as Israel with the addition of Gentile believers who joined them. And someone responds, quoting:

Romans 11:26 KJV And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

..and then says, "Believe the prophets!"

No context, explanation or application discussed whatsoever.

Ok... so...

Matthew 27:5 KJV And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

And then...

Luke 10:37 KJV And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

I've got a noose for you. Knock yourself out!

mfblume · #2 07-11-2016, 08:43 PM

Shazeep, cut the nonsense. Stop the games. Leave this vagueness alone.

Cut to the chase.

The cross. Salvation cannot occur without it. How can you say people who profess salvation by works cannot be lost?

Simple question. Deal with it.

Evang.Benincasa · #3 07-11-2016, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Shazeep, cut the nonsense. Stop the games. Leave this vagueness alone.

Cut to the chase.

The cross. Salvation cannot occur without it. How can you say people who profess salvation by works cannot be lost?

Simple question. Deal with it.

Muslims don't believe in the cross, and Catholics don't believe in the cross.
It doesn't get simpler than that.

mfblume · #4 07-11-2016, 10:45 PM

bump

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Shazeep, cut the nonsense. Stop the games. Leave this vagueness alone.

Cut to the chase.

The cross. Salvation cannot occur without it. How can you say people who profess salvation by works cannot be lost?

Simple question. Deal with it.

This and only this issue will get to the core reason of the monstrous canyon that stands between our views. Keep running around the peripheral. That goes no where.

shazeep · #5 07-11-2016, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I've got a noose for you. Knock yourself out!

so now you're going to go all EB on us, since you can't make any sense of Scripture without someone verifying your confused interpretation? You really are convinced that us mere mortals cannot grasp the meaning of these simple Scriptural statements, huh?

Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.

which part of this verse is giving you a problem, Mike?

32For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.

please glorify us with your heavenly explanation of this verse, since it apparently is in some code that only you can understand.

29Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

8Your message is to be sound beyond reproach, so that the opponent will be ashamed, having nothing bad to say about us.

bam explain to me how any context is being violated when i post these, and suggest that they describe you, being as how i am so clueless.

goodbye Mike

mfblume · #6 07-11-2016, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

so now you're going to go all EB on us, since you can't make any sense of Scripture without someone verifying your confused interpretation? You really are convinced that us mere mortals cannot grasp the meaning of these simple Scriptural statements, huh?

How you consistently miss the point is utterly astounding. WOW WOW WOW.

lol.

It's not about agreeing with me. It's validating YOUR position and relating to us what goes on in your head while your'e going for that passage.

Why a person would quote a passage and not point out how it goes against what you claim we believe, is beyond me. Really, it is. And it's not anything to do with whether you agree with me or not. Do you not realize I considered these passages when I made conclusions on issues they relate to? So, for the life of me, I do not know what you think of them when you use them and offer no explanation of why.

Can you imagine a debate where a difference in beliefs is the focus, and all one person does it quote scripture and doesn't point out how it shows the other viewpoint to be in error, and the other person in the debate quotes passages and explains the reason he quotes it in reference to the point of the debate?

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Do not be arrogant, but be afraid.

which part of this verse is giving you a problem, Mike?

None of it. It's not the bible I have a problem with. I love it all. But how does it fit the chat, is the question I keep asking you on that and anything else you quote. What part about explaining how a verse applies do you not understand? How does it go against what you think I believe?

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32For God has imprisoned all in disobedience, so that He may have mercy on all.

please glorify us with your heavenly explanation of this verse, since it apparently is in some code that only you can understand.

I know what I think of that. The question is how do you reason it out? No one knows until you explain it.

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29Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.

8Your message is to be sound beyond reproach, so that the opponent will be ashamed, having nothing bad to say about us.

bam explain to me how any context is being violated when i post these, and suggest that they describe you, being as how i am so clueless.

goodbye Mike

Typical. Bolting again.

shazeep · #7 07-11-2016, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Typical. Bolting again.

ya, well as usual you cannot answer the question, elder.

mfblume · #8 07-11-2016, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

ya, well as usual you cannot answer the question, elder.

I thought you had left already.

shazeep · #9 07-11-2016, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

I thought you had left already.

ya, well obviously thinking is not your strong suit. Think about giving a straight answer someday.

mfblume · #10 07-11-2016, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

ya, well obviously thinking is not your strong suit.

Just going by what you said. But alas, the insults continue.

Have a good night.

but as a side thought, when you say good-bye and then post more posts, and I comment noting my thoughts that you left, and you respond saying thinking is not my high point.... that explains why words in the bible really mean nothing to you, if your own words mean nothing.

I've said I'd stop and started chatting again, but I never accused someone who thought I was finished by an insult mocking their intelligence about what I initially said.

Anyway, carry on.