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07-27-2016, 11:18 AM
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Re: Family Issue:
Personally, I do not agree with freedom to make mistakes. I raised four kids and none them ever got in trouble with law.
We taught our kids to stay away from friends who get in trouble like that. If they were with someone like that, it ended. Period.
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07-27-2016, 11:35 AM
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Re: Family Issue:
The bible teaches us to teach our children. It did not tell us to leave our children to the whims of the world and the school of hard knocks to teach them. That's the philosophy of the world. It's the same error, I believe, as letting kids choose what religion to follow.
The human heart is a garden of wild weeds. It must be disciplined and "gardened" from those weeds. If we let kids learn for themselves, they will get i trouble with the Law. They just will. My kids went to church until they chose for themselves at 18. Only one veered away after that age, and yet he never got into crime of any sort.
Your kids in their situation may not have you and your ex-wife both agreeing in serving God. Not sure. So that's different. Yes, we all learn from hard knocks. But leaving children without teaching and without forbidding certain friends is totally leaving them to the whims of the world. And that's not the bible way. That's how I see it, anyway.
Joshua 24:15 KJV And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
My children are in my house.
But I understand it's different when the parents are not together and both serving God.
This is just me... but I recommend it for all.. but I would have my children know they attend church with me when in my home in a similar situation like yours.
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07-27-2016, 12:45 PM
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Re: Family Issue:
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The bible teaches us to teach our children. It did not tell us to leave our children to the whims of the world and the school of hard knocks to teach them. That's the philosophy of the world. It's the same error, I believe, as letting kids choose what religion to follow.
The human heart is a garden of wild weeds. It must be disciplined and "gardened" from those weeds. If we let kids learn for themselves, they will get i trouble with the Law. They just will. My kids went to church until they chose for themselves at 18. Only one veered away after that age, and yet he never got into crime of any sort.
Your kids in their situation may not have you and your ex-wife both agreeing in serving God. Not sure. So that's different. Yes, we all learn from hard knocks. But leaving children without teaching and without forbidding certain friends is totally leaving them to the whims of the world. And that's not the bible way. That's how I see it, anyway.
Joshua 24:15 KJV And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
My children are in my house.
But I understand it's different when the parents are not together and both serving God.
This is just me... but I recommend it for all.. but I would have my children know they attend church with me when in my home in a similar situation like yours. |
After everything that happened in our church my ex became an avowed atheist/agnostic and decided that living for "God" wasn't what she desired. That makes it real difficult. I'm still trying to live for God. Not perfect, but trying. I don't blame God for everything that happened. But she's of a different opinion.
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08-04-2016, 06:05 PM
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Re: Family Issue:
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Originally Posted by Aquila
After everything that happened in our church my ex became an avowed atheist/agnostic and decided that living for "God" wasn't what she desired. That makes it real difficult. I'm still trying to live for God. Not perfect, but trying. I don't blame God for everything that happened. But she's of a different opinion.
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You can't "make" an ex handle a child the way you believe is correct, you can only suggest and reason in a non offensive way. I think you did a great job of that.
It sounded to me like a very reasonable exchange between two parents raising a child apart. Kudos to you two. I know it must be frustrating for you for her not to have more control over the friends he hangs out with and more supervision but you can only do what you can do. Oh, and pray!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-04-2016, 06:05 PM
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Re: Family Issue:
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Originally Posted by Aquila
After everything that happened in our church my ex became an avowed atheist/agnostic and decided that living for "God" wasn't what she desired. That makes it real difficult. I'm still trying to live for God. Not perfect, but trying. I don't blame God for everything that happened. But she's of a different opinion.
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You can't "make" an ex handle a child the way you believe is correct, you can only suggest and reason in a non offensive way. I think you did a great job of that.
It sounded to me like a very reasonable exchange between two parents raising a child apart. Kudos to you two. I know it must be frustrating for you for her not to have more control over the friends he hangs out with and more supervision but you can only do what you can do. Oh, and pray!
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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08-04-2016, 11:30 PM
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Re: Family Issue:
I don't agree with her concept on raising children. Generally when something bad happens they blame everyone but themselves.
He is too young to run unrestrained. IMO
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07-27-2016, 12:43 PM
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Re: Family Issue:
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Originally Posted by mfblume
Personally, I do not agree with freedom to make mistakes. I raised four kids and none them ever got in trouble with law.
We taught our kids to stay away from friends who get in trouble like that. If they were with someone like that, it ended. Period.
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Amen.
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