Those who never heard about Jesus?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Antipas

You're quoting a book that I believe has errors due to the cultural biases and languages of human filters, mistranslations, omissions, and additions. A Muslim would throw out verses from the Quran. A devout Hindu would throw out verses from the Upanishads. But these are all corrupted and altered texts.

Sorry you remove God from the equation. If Good inspired his words to begin with her takes it upon himself to preserve it.

I also disagree with your foundation of thinking truth is a needle in a haystack of religions, making you again remove God from the equation as though he doesn't guide the sincere to absolute truth. Quite the monster it seems.

Hint... It's better to deal with the verses than dunno then due to some unproved humanistic Reasoning.

How would you know Jesus is God incarnate? What if those verses are corrupted? What if all the similarities you find between diverse religions are corrupted too?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by mfblume

"Know ye not"? What do you mean, Paul? Know? You said if we think we KNOW anything, we really don't know anything at all. We cannot KNOW we were baptized into Jesus' death, because you said we cannot know anything, and it's worse if we think we do!

Bump

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

Thankfully though we have some internet guy on AFF named "Antipas" to sort it all out for us.

Here are a few contradictions demonstrating that the Bible isn't inerrant.

Who was Joseph's father, Jacob or Heli?

MAT 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

LUK 3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli.

Who was at the Empty Tomb?

MAT 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

MAR 16:1 And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

JOH 20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

How many stalls and horsemen?

1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

Jesus' first sermon plain or mount?

MAT 5:1,2: "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying...."

LUK 6:17,20: "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him.. And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."

Who provoked David to number Israel?

II SAMUEL 24: And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

I CHRONICLES 21: And SATAN stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

How did Judas die, by hanging himself or by leaping headfirst to his death?

"And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field." (MAT 27:5)

"Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." (ACT 1:18)

How old was Jehoiachin when he began to reign?

2KI 24:8 Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.

2CH 36:9 Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.

Those are just a few contradictions. The Bible isn't inerrant. It was written, copied, and compiled by human beings. The revelation it contains clearly shows the limited understanding, cultural bias, and religious ideals of those involved. It isn't the inerrant "Word of God". However, one can draw many spiritual truths from it's contents.

All of this is also true of every other religious manuscript or sacred scriptures belonging to other religions.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by shazeep

i would say no, because there are those who will not receive; but these do not necessarily = 'those who refused to engage in the rites of the religious establishment of which i am a part' imo. Someone consciously and conscientiously hating their life who displays a grasp of repentance and has embraced humility etc, iow demonstrates faith and is known for their fruit, who am i to say that God may not consider their heart pure, just because they never spoke in someone's idea of tongues?

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Sorry you remove God from the equation. If Good inspired his words to begin with her takes it upon himself to preserve it.

I also disagree with your foundation of thinking truth is a needle in a haystack of religions, making you again remove God from the equation as though he doesn't guide the sincere to absolute truth. Quite the monster it seems.

Hint... It's better to deal with the verses than dunno then due to some unproved humanistic Reasoning.

I apologize. But I'm not sure if I understood your statements above. If "God" inspired and preserved the Bible, he didn't do a good job because the Bible, as it has been copied and handed down to us, contains many contradictions, in accuracies, and mistranslations.

How would you know Jesus is God incarnate? What if those verses are corrupted? What if all the similarities you find between diverse religions are corrupted too?

I'll quote what I said from an earlier post.

The soul evolves and changes through time. Many souls are in unrest because they have not forgiven themselves, feel unworthy, deny that they are dead, or because they have not accepted the spiritual realities they are now experiencing due to those experiences being contrary to their religious dogmas. It is often the most "religious" that find the greatest trouble passing over. This is an everlasting "Hell". But eventually every soul will surrender, find peace, and enter the Light. Those who do enter the Light return to the Source of All, God, and are as rain drops returning to the sea. They will once again emanate from the Source as naturally as water vapor once more arises from the seas in the midday sun. In this, the Source (God), experiences all things (including himself) in innumerable ways. He desires to know and be known. And so through this He both knows and is known. This has been the process since all life evolved from a single celled organism roughly 3.5 billion years ago. He is the All In All.

Oneness is a much greater concept than you realize Rev. Blume.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Antipas

I apologize. But I'm not sure if I understood your statements above. If "God" inspired and preserved the Bible, he didn't do a good job because the Bible, as it has been copied and handed down to us, contains many contradictions, in accuracies, and mistranslations.

Do you read Greek?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Antipas

I apologize. But I'm not sure if I understood your statements above. If "God" inspired and preserved the Bible, he didn't do a good job because the Bible, as it has been copied and handed down to us, contains many contradictions, in accuracies, and mistranslations.

What is the difference between interpretation and translation?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Antipas

Here are a few contradictions demonstrating that the Bible isn't inerrant.

What is Jesus and the apostles quoting in the New Testament? Meaning what Bible were they getting the quotes from?

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

What is the difference between interpretation and translation?

Translation is the attempt to transliterate that which is found in another language.

Interpretation is the process of deciphering what it means.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

i'm talking about maybe pausing to consider how glossololia does not reflect the tongues of the NT, no crowds are amazed, etc., and how believing it is one thing, but teaching it is another.