Those who never heard about Jesus?

shazeep · #1 08-18-2016, 07:42 PM

and My Law will be written on their hearts

Evang.Benincasa · #2 08-18-2016, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

and My Law will be written on their hearts

That means what?

shazeep · #3 08-19-2016, 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That means what?

"I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. .... law shall be written in their hearts by the finger of the Spirit, as formerly written in the tables of stone." i've heard many explanations, from one of Grace to Christ changing our dna, but the point to make here i think is that just like multiple pastors' unwillingness to honestly relate how they would receive "you are lost" from a sincere...Muslim, say, or even another pastor, so much so that the point is made that they would not take it kindly, it would be dismissed out of hand, it is hearts that have (tacitly) verified the truth of Scripture, and should guide one in interpretation, the Spirit being one's guide, rather than men.

But i don't want to be misconstrued here--lol, as if--but anyway, this doesn't mean that one cannot get agreement or disagreement from the Body that they should heed, imo, as everyone should be open to correction, but i think it does mean that if one has ears to hear, agreement or disagreement will come from the heart, regardless of the words being said. Iow that concept was being verbally disagreed with, amounting to agreement. The truth often becomes evident just by putting the shoe on the other foot.

Evang.Benincasa · #4 08-19-2016, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

"I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. .... law shall be written in their hearts by the finger of the Spirit, as formerly written in the tables of stone." i've heard many explanations, from one of Grace to Christ changing our dna, but the point to make here i think is that just like multiple pastors' unwillingness to honestly relate how they would receive "you are lost" from a sincere...Muslim, say, or even another pastor, so much so that the point is made that they would not take it kindly, it would be dismissed out of hand, it is hearts that have (tacitly) verified the truth of Scripture, and should guide one in interpretation, the Spirit being one's guide, rather than men.

Listen, WHO CARES!

It gets really old to continually read how someone brings up "multiple pastors" or "these churches" when you have absolutely no way of proving that is true or not. You constantly bring up the WORD "scripture" but miserably fail to prove hermeneutically with SCRIPTURE your points. But only want to post memes, or bring up "pastors" said this, or believe this, or that. Who cares dude. We are discussing the Bible. We are discussing whether the mumbo jumbo you have been gleefully typing away is even close to being what Jesus and the apostles taught. Listen, if John the Baptist believed the mess you have been spewing he would of NEVER refused baptism to the Pharisees, and Jesus would of never gave the Pharisees His scathing rebuke of Matthew 23. Jesus would of never proclaimed the Isaiah 64:10 curse over Jerusalem in Matthew 23:38.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

But i don't want to be misconstrued here--lol, as if--but anyway, this doesn't mean that one cannot get agreement or disagreement from the Body that they should heed, imo, as everyone should be open to correction, but i think it does mean that if one has ears to hear, agreement or disagreement will come from the heart, regardless of the words being said. Iow that concept was being verbally disagreed with, amounting to agreement. The truth often becomes evident just by putting the shoe on the other foot.

Truth becomes evident by reading the scriptures as one is led by the Holy Ghost. Not by walking in someone else's shoes. You can't walk in my shoes, nor can I walk in yours. You absolutely chaotic convoluted way of looking at the Gospel isn't found in the writings of Paul, or the Words of Christ.

thephnxman · #5 08-19-2016, 10:14 PM

"...everybody should be open to correction...", SAID THE muslim
EXCEPT himself: BECAUSE HE SURELY ISN'T OPEN TO CORRECTION. He
unabashedly writes as if he is doing the correcting! EVERYTHING he says
is to contradict, divide, and confuse ". . . the weak in the faith . . ." . . . . .
and the AFF is giving him a free rein.

"Judge righteous judgment."

Aquila · #6 08-19-2016, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That means what?

His law will be love....

Romans 13:8-10
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.

Evang.Benincasa · #7 08-19-2016, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

His law will be love....

Romans 13:8-10
8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Galatians 5:14
14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

James 2:8
If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing well.

All of the above is just repeating Leviticus 19:9-18, what is pretty interesting is that you think it was all new and innovative? It wasn't, because if Rabbi Hillel the Elder had the very same conclusion. What my issue is that love your neighbor doesn't supercede the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the point of allowing Muslims access through the strait gate and the narrow path.

Do you agree?

Aquila · #8 08-22-2016, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

All of the above is just repeating Leviticus 19:9-18, what is pretty interesting is that you think it was all new and innovative? It wasn't, because if Rabbi Hillel the Elder had the very same conclusion. What my issue is that love your neighbor doesn't supercede the Gospel of Jesus Christ to the point of allowing Muslims access through the strait gate and the narrow path.

Do you agree?

Yes, I agree.

Living a life dedicated to loving God and one's neighbor is essentially the sanctifying life of a born again believer. While the unsaved might be able to seek to love their religion's "god" and love others, it isn't the same.