Those who never heard about Jesus?

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Originally Posted by Antipas

There are hundreds of paths up the mountain, all leading in the same direction. The only one wasting time is the one who runs around and around the mountain,telling everyone that his or her path is wrong.

Wrong.

Jesus is "THE" way not "A" way.

Paul said:

Galatians 1:6-9 KJV I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: (7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (9) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


And what is the gospel Paul preached?

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV (1) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. (3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; (4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Preach anything other than this and Paul said you're accursed. His words, not mine.

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All these claims of using Christ's words and others being unable to deal with them. It's taking things out of context, using recommendations to maintain good works that are distinctly said do not impress God but are profitable TO MEN, thereby not being the cause of salvation, and trying to make them the cause. Salvation by works is not what Jesus said. And the personal insults and the admission to cursing and condemning reveal the true fruit of wolves in sheep's clothing.

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Originally Posted by mfblume

All these claims of using Christ's words and others being unable to deal with them. It's taking things out of context, using recommendations to maintain good works that are distinctly said do not impress God but are profitable TO MEN, thereby not being the cause of salvation, and trying to make them the cause. Salvation by works is not what Jesus said. And the personal insults and the admission to cursing and condemning reveal the true fruit of wolves in sheep's clothing.

as i said, it is when you were repeatedly duplicitous rather than admit a point that it then became prudent to mirror to you, of my faith, what you expect a foreigner to sit still for; i have no personal stake in this either way. If you don't think you were avoiding and in denial in your replies, we can go take a look. I guess it is possible there was an answer that did not occur to you at the time, even, although this seems doubtful.

And it seems to me that you do not admit to being unable to deal with the Word of Christ--that would be completely understandable--but rather deal with it quite harshly. Anyway, all of that was simply possible cover for those you condemn, a possible explanation.

You have no explanation for "They are all lost" that allows for personal humility, that i can see, and that has always been the only point i care about here. The rest is certainly a matter of interpretation, and you are free to interpret as you like. If you think Paul provides a surer path, i would not even try to argue.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

All these claims of using Christ's words and others being unable to deal with them. It's taking things out of context, using recommendations to maintain good works that are distinctly said do not impress God but are profitable TO MEN, thereby not being the cause of salvation, and trying to make them the cause. Salvation by works is not what Jesus said. And the personal insults and the admission to cursing and condemning reveal the true fruit of wolves in sheep's clothing.

If your faith alone is so perfect, why do you spend hours on this forum seeking to correct it? Is it because others see it through a different filter than you do? And so you spend all this time trying to convince them to embrace the truth as you believe it to be?

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Wrong.

Jesus is "THE" way not "A" way.

Paul said:

Galatians 1:6-9 KJV I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: (7) Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. (8) But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. (9) As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.


And what is the gospel Paul preached?

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV (1) Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. (3) For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; (4) And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

Preach anything other than this and Paul said you're accursed. His words, not mine.

The one who spoke those words not only abided in Christ, but he also abides in many many others. Indeed, he is THE WAY. And that way has appeared unto all men in various cultures, languages, and understandings. And he will always be THE WAY.

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Originally Posted by Antipas

The one who spoke those words not only abided in Christ, but he also abides in many many others. Indeed, he is THE WAY. And that way has appeared unto all men in various cultures, languages, and understandings. And he will always be THE WAY.

You just overlooked everything I wrote. Paul denied what you are saying. If these other religions never mentioned the cross of Jesus, they are false. The one in them is not the one who was in Paul.

Your view effectively renders good to be evil and evil to be good. Truth is arbitrary and relative to the person thinking it. You speak of the reality one person has compared to the reality another has, as though truth is arbitrary,. That means if truth to one person means homsoexaulity is sin and those in it are in evil, and truth to another person means homosexaulity is not sin and those in it are in what is good, as though they will be judged based on what their reality is, then what is evil to the one person is good to the other. And what is evil to the other is good to the one.

What better way to say good is evil and evil is good!

What is darkness to pone person is light to the other. It depends on their personal reality. In effect, once again, darkness is called light from one perspective and vice versa for the other.

Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!