Those who never heard about Jesus?

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Originally Posted by Antipas

Is that why there are entire branches of Christianity that embrace the same Bible who firmly believe it teaches Apocatastasis (universal reconciliation)?

Again, it is all in how it is interpreted by the reader. Another human "filter".

That can always be said when a person thinks the bible has errors. We need a foundation other than our own whims. The bible is a solid foundation. When errors are claimed in all holy books then the only foundation is the sand of our whims.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That can always be said when a person thinks the bible has errors. We need a foundation other than our own whims. The bible is a solid foundation. When errors are claimed in all holy books then the only foundation is the sand of our whims.

i find no error in Scripture, myself; but i approach it as truth, and not proof; a compendium of contradictions. Beware anyone suggesting that there are no contradictions in Scripture, imo; this is an illusion. They may only be apparent ones, but the devil is in the details.

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Originally Posted by shazeep

i find no error in Scripture, myself; but i approach it as truth, and not proof; a compendium of contradictions. Beware anyone suggesting that there are no contradictions in Scripture, imo; this is an illusion. They may only be apparent ones, but the devil is in the details.

There are no contradictions and God does not do anything with His word to deceive anyone.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by mfblume

There are no contradictions and God does not do anything with His word to deceive anyone.

ya but what you might learn if you didn't know tho

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Originally Posted by shazeep

ya but what you might learn if you didn't know tho

Of course... anything specifically laid out is removed by switch and bait for generalities of another philosophy.

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by mfblume

That can always be said when a person thinks the bible has errors. We need a foundation other than our own whims. The bible is a solid foundation. When errors are claimed in all holy books then the only foundation is the sand of our whims.

You've lost your intuitive reasoning. It is almost as though you are a computer spitting out data.

What is meant by the following text:

Genesis 49:6
O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.

Why did they dig down a wall?

[thephnxman]

Originally Posted by Antipas

You've lost your intuitive reasoning. It is almost as though you are a computer spitting out data.
What is meant by the following text:
Genesis 49:6
(1) O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.
(2) Why did they dig down a wall?

Jacob had nothing to do with the ungodly act of Simeon and Levi

(1) "Blessed is the man that walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor
stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of the scornful."
(2) Men are known to have built walls around their cities for their
defense against marauders and enemies. Simeon and Levi went into
a city on false pretenses (claiming peace), to kill the man (a prince of
that city) that took advantage of their sister. They not only killed him,
but [all the men] of the city (emphasis mine). Although they went in
thought the gates of the city, stealth was in their hearts, therefore it is
said (Jacob's words) that they did ". . . dig down a wall."

[Antipas]

Originally Posted by thephnxman

Jacob had nothing to do with the ungodly act of Simeon and Levi

(1) "Blessed is the man that walks not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor
stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of the scornful."
(2) Men are known to have built walls around their cities for their
defense against marauders and enemies. Simeon and Levi went into
a city on false pretenses (claiming peace), to kill the man (a prince of
that city) that took advantage of their sister. They not only killed him,
but [all the men] of the city (emphasis mine). Although they went in
thought the gates of the city, stealth was in their hearts, therefore it is
said (Jacob's words) that they did ". . . dig down a wall."

What if I told you that the phrase, "digged down a wall", is a mistranslation? An error?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Antipas

You've lost your intuitive reasoning. It is almost as though you are a computer spitting out data.

That's an excuse to not actually deal with what I asked.

What is meant by the following text:

Genesis 49:6
O my soul, come not thou into their secret; unto their assembly, mine honour, be not thou united: for in their anger they slew a man, and in their selfwill they digged down a wall.

Why did they dig down a wall?

You are taking an accusation that specifically dealt with Levi and Reuben's sin of murdering Shechemites, and applying it in some mystical way to how we handle religion?

This is what I am talking about. Whims and flights of fancy. Sorry, but when you say there is reincarnation in the bible, and show it with Elijah, and are presented with passages that refute reincarnation form the same bible, and say they are examples of corrupted text, you prove you have lost all sincere reasoning to know the truth of the Word.

It's like people get something in their heads about what they WANT to believe, and devise any excuse they can think of to relegate it away as error in order to maintain that DESIRED belief. That's why you couldn't answer Esaias when he asked HOW DO YOU KNOW you are on the right track? You have no foundation. You have no standard. When words of a religious text conflict your view, what is your standard for knowing those words are error? The sand of whim!

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Let me also note that the Lord has taught me to sincerely pray and seek Him to correct me if I am wrong. I believe that is the part of the Lord's prayer that speaks of leading us not into temptation but delivering us from evil. It corresponds to His words in Matt 7 about the wide and narrow paths and the false prophets. I pray that everytime I pray. And I teach our people to do the same.