You not preaching holiness till you've named it!

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by mfblume

The issue is sin.

I never intended to make jewelry sin by definition of OT law. The only point that I was making is that Peter and Paul said not to adorn ourselves with it. The debate was over the interpretation of 1 Peter 3 and 1 Timothy 2. If you advocate wearing jewelry outside of a watch or a wedding band, so be it. I still consider you a brother, but we just disagree here. With all the points that have been made I don't think you can fairly dismiss the conservative views as being wrong. I do agree with the fact it is a matter of the heart.

[Godsdrummer]

Originally Posted by good samaritan

I never intended to make jewelry sin by definition of OT law. The only point that I was making is that Peter and Paul said not to adorn ourselves with it. The debate was over the interpretation of 1 Peter 3 and 1 Timothy 2. If you advocate wearing jewelry outside of a watch or a wedding band, so be it. I still consider you a brother, but we just disagree here. With all the points that have been made I don't think you can fairly dismiss the conservative views as being wrong. I do agree with the fact it is a matter of the heart.

I believe you are wrong in stating that Paul and Peter's point was that we are not to adorn ourselves with Jewelry. Rather it should be done in moderation. Else both are condemning the wearing of clothes also. Which we both know cannot be.

1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

By the same token. Paul would be saying women cannot fix their hair. Yet no one teaches that.

1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

One cannot use these passages to condemn, one thing yet allow other things in the same verse. One must be consistent with the whole verse, else you are not understanding the meaning of the verse.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

I believe you are wrong in stating that Paul and Peter's point was that we are not to adorn ourselves with Jewelry. Rather it should be done in moderation. Else both are condemning the wearing of clothes also. Which we both know cannot be.

1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

By the same token. Paul would be saying women cannot fix their hair. Yet no one teaches that.

1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

One cannot use these passages to condemn, one thing yet allow other things in the same verse. One must be consistent with the whole verse, else you are not understanding the meaning of the verse.

The apostle said "whose adorning let it not be..." This is plain, and cannot rationally be taken to mean "whose adorning let it be, just not too much..."

The two apostles say almost verbatim the same thing. Thus we see that "putting on of apparel" answers to "costly array". The godly woman is not to have clothing AS AN ADORNMENT, ie for purely decorative purposes. Clothing is to be modest and functional, not flashy, extravagant, or otherwise used merely as a means of DECORATION.

One MUST be clothed. Failure to wear clothing is shameful. The same can NOT be said about wearing gold or pearls (or other jewelry) or plaiting the hair. There is no sin or shame in not wearing jewelry or having elaborate hairstyles.

In summary the apostle said "let it not be". We cannot conclude he meant "let it be", so we have to work within the constraints given. One can do without gold or plaited hair. That leaves apparel. Apparel MUST be worn, so it is obvious that certain KINDS of apparel are forbidden. Any apparel worn for purely decorative purposes is out, as is "costly array".

On the other side, we have essentially people saying "When the Bible says don't let your adorning consist of gold, plaited hair, or fancy shmancy clothing, it really means you can be adorned with gold, plaited hair, and fancy shmancy clothing, as long as it's not too much and as long as your heart is right." In other words, "if you feel comfortable with doing exactly what two apostles said not to do, then it's okay."

[deacon blues]

Originally Posted by Godsdrummer

I believe you are wrong in stating that Paul and Peter's point was that we are not to adorn ourselves with Jewelry. Rather it should be done in moderation. Else both are condemning the wearing of clothes also. Which we both know cannot be.

1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

By the same token. Paul would be saying women cannot fix their hair. Yet no one teaches that.

1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

One cannot use these passages to condemn, one thing yet allow other things in the same verse. One must be consistent with the whole verse, else you are not understanding the meaning of the verse.

Your posts are always balanced and logical. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼