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09-15-2016, 08:15 AM
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Re: Unconventional Church "Vision" Service
Actually to me the approach is much like the "Jesus people" of the 70's. I knew some of them this seems to be the same philosophy maybe a little more organized?
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09-15-2016, 09:48 AM
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Re: Unconventional Church "Vision" Service
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Actually to me the approach is much like the "Jesus people" of the 70's. I knew some of them this seems to be the same philosophy maybe a little more organized?
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Interesting. I don't know anything about the Jesus People movement of the 70's but can confirm that we are very organized.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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09-15-2016, 10:33 AM
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Re: Unconventional Church "Vision" Service
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Interesting. I don't know anything about the Jesus People movement of the 70's but can confirm that we are very organized.
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The format is much of the same. They baptized in Jesus name wasn't a big deal to them but they did it. However they were as the majority not very organized. David Berg came out from them that scandalized the movement but those that I knew were not of his stripe. Doctrine meant very little.
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09-15-2016, 10:38 AM
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Re: Unconventional Church "Vision" Service
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The format is much of the same. They baptized in Jesus name wasn't a big deal to them but they did it. However they were as the majority not very organized. David Berg came out from them that scandalized the movement but those that I knew were not of his stripe. Doctrine meant very little.
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It is not that doctrine means very little at my church it is just that we are not going to sit and argue about various views of matters that are not core to salvation. Things like prophecy, church government, etc. We consider ourselves extremely doctrinal in the sense that we go through the bible word for word and deal with everything it says and in context.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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09-15-2016, 01:08 PM
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Re: Unconventional Church "Vision" Service
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It is not that doctrine means very little at my church it is just that we are not going to sit and argue about various views of matters that are not core to salvation. Things like prophecy, church government, etc. We consider ourselves extremely doctrinal in the sense that we go through the bible word for word and deal with everything it says and in context.
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Well to think there is not much difference in Calvinism & Free Will seems that doctrine don't mean much? Not picking or trying to provoke an argument.
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09-15-2016, 05:47 PM
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Re: Unconventional Church "Vision" Service
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Well to think there is not much difference in Calvinism & Free Will seems that doctrine don't mean much? Not picking or trying to provoke an argument.
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It is funny you mention that because our pastor said last week that someone was talking to him about a relative of theirs who was in bad shape on drugs and a lot of other things and that they were worried about him but not his salvation because he had given his life to Christ many years ago. Pastor told them they might not be worried about his salvation but pastor is!
We are not going to kick somebody out and not fellowship with them because of a difference in belief like this but hope that over time as we go through the bible and they are taught that they will see the error of their ways.
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"I think some people love spiritual bondage just the way some people love physical bondage. It makes them feel secure. In the end though it is not healthy for the one who is lost over it or the one who is lives under the oppression even if by their own choice"
Titus2woman on AFF
"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
Quote from Ethel Goss (widow of 1st UPC Gen Supt. Howard Goss) book "The Winds of God"
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09-24-2016, 06:54 AM
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Re: Unconventional Church "Vision" Service
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Pastor told them they might not be worried about his salvation but pastor is!
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Does he not wear shoes because his Birkenstocks are too tight?
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09-15-2016, 04:27 PM
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Re: Unconventional Church "Vision" Service
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Originally Posted by Steve Epley
The format is much of the same. They baptized in Jesus name wasn't a big deal to them but they did it. However they were as the majority not very organized. David Berg came out from them that scandalized the movement but those that I knew were not of his stripe. Doctrine meant very little.
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Surprised that you knew of the Children Of God. They were the first well organized group I met as a young "Jesus People" believer. They were really hard hitting. There is a video I watch showing them baptizing in Jesus name and praying for a guy to get the Holy Ghost.
I had seriously thought about joining them at one time. Then the truth came out about David Berg. He took what could have been a great group and led many into delusion and destruction. I think he will have one of the worse punishments in Hell.
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09-15-2016, 07:42 PM
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Re: Unconventional Church "Vision" Service
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Surprised that you knew of the Children Of God. They were the first well organized group I met as a young "Jesus People" believer. They were really hard hitting. There is a video I watch showing them baptizing in Jesus name and praying for a guy to get the Holy Ghost.
I had seriously thought about joining them at one time. Then the truth came out about David Berg. He took what could have been a great group and led many into delusion and destruction. I think he will have one of the worse punishments in Hell.
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I knew some them.
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09-16-2016, 08:54 AM
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Re: Unconventional Church "Vision" Service
I like it. Reminds me of the church my eldest daughter and her husband are starting. Good worship and good word every Sunday.
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