Physical pain, Spiritual gain

allstate1 · #1 10-26-2016, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by YounginHope

It's likely not you, lol. I have a hard time conveying my thoughts.

I read that Paul had pain (thorn in the flesh) and petitioned God about it and received this message.
2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

It took me a long time to realize there was good that could come from my pain. But it could be that in my weakness His strength is made perfect. And I guess you can look at it like everyone has pains. But I know from experience that years of back pain are different than a few weeks with a broken arm. Either way, I'm done focusing on the pain and that is the point of the thread. Victory for me didn't have to come with physical healing.

Now I see more clearly. The understanding that one will have pain, acute or chronic, during a lifetime and not get healed is my point. Accepting the fact that this pain will be part of your life until death IMO is a victory. After this acceptance you can focus on other things. Then you can truly say "through Christ alone..."

shazeep · #2 10-26-2016, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

Now I see more clearly. The understanding that one will have pain, acute or chronic, during a lifetime and not get healed is my point. Accepting the fact that this pain will be part of your life until death IMO is a victory. After this acceptance you can focus on other things. Then you can truly say "through Christ alone..."

hmm. good points, prolly. like anything else, there is more than one way to perceive pain. if i run a marathon, i don't expect to not be in some acute pain afterward. But chronic pain? might be a sign?

allstate1 · #3 10-26-2016, 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

hmm. good points, prolly. like anything else, there is more than one way to perceive pain. if i run a marathon, i don't expect to not be in some acute pain afterward. But chronic pain? might be a sign?

A sign of what? Spiritual issues or physical?

shazeep · #4 10-26-2016, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

A sign of what? Spiritual issues or physical?

well, could be either one, i guess, i would not want to define it to the exclusion of anything else. But chronic 'physical' might even be expected, if one did...i dunno, some repetitive motion at work, or whatever, on a regular basis? But chronic pain, when one is unaware of the cause? i would def be looking spiritual imo. Iow if you can ID the cause of any pain, "this is the fruit of that," well that seems different than 'i am in pain, and i don't know why.'

allstate1 · #5 10-26-2016, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well, could be either one, i guess, i would not want to define it to the exclusion of anything else. But chronic 'physical' might even be expected, if one did...i dunno, some repetitive motion at work, or whatever, on a regular basis? But chronic pain, when one is unaware of the cause? i would def be looking spiritual imo. Iow if you can ID the cause of any pain, "this is the fruit of that," well that seems different than 'i am in pain, and i don't know why.'

There is always a cause of true chronic pain.

shazeep · #6 10-26-2016, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

There is always a cause of true chronic pain.

true, but that doesn't mean that the cause is always known, does it? i have an old gf with twin daughters who get debilitating migraines, have for years, i guess. sweetest hearts you ever met, like missionary types. i can't figure it out, personally.

allstate1 · #7 10-26-2016, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

true, but that doesn't mean that the cause is always known, does it? i have an old gf with twin daughters who get debilitating migraines, have for years, i guess. sweetest hearts you ever met, like missionary types. i can't figure it out, personally.

So is it spiritual or physical in your opinion?

KeptByTheWord · #8 10-26-2016, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by allstate1

There is always a cause of true chronic pain.

Yes, but finding out "what" can be the "million dollar question" sometimes. Our bodies are so amazingly complex.