Physical pain, Spiritual gain

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by allstate1

A sign of what? Spiritual issues or physical?

well, could be either one, i guess, i would not want to define it to the exclusion of anything else. But chronic 'physical' might even be expected, if one did...i dunno, some repetitive motion at work, or whatever, on a regular basis? But chronic pain, when one is unaware of the cause? i would def be looking spiritual imo. Iow if you can ID the cause of any pain, "this is the fruit of that," well that seems different than 'i am in pain, and i don't know why.'

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by shazeep

well, could be either one, i guess, i would not want to define it to the exclusion of anything else. But chronic 'physical' might even be expected, if one did...i dunno, some repetitive motion at work, or whatever, on a regular basis? But chronic pain, when one is unaware of the cause? i would def be looking spiritual imo. Iow if you can ID the cause of any pain, "this is the fruit of that," well that seems different than 'i am in pain, and i don't know why.'

There is always a cause of true chronic pain.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by allstate1

There is always a cause of true chronic pain.

true, but that doesn't mean that the cause is always known, does it? i have an old gf with twin daughters who get debilitating migraines, have for years, i guess. sweetest hearts you ever met, like missionary types. i can't figure it out, personally.

[allstate1]

Originally Posted by shazeep

true, but that doesn't mean that the cause is always known, does it? i have an old gf with twin daughters who get debilitating migraines, have for years, i guess. sweetest hearts you ever met, like missionary types. i can't figure it out, personally.

So is it spiritual or physical in your opinion?

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by allstate1

So is it spiritual or physical in your opinion?

i have to believe spiritual, but i sure could not see it. And it's not like we had so close a relationship that i was blinded to their faults or anything, i was living in sin with their mother, pretty sure they just tolerated me, but they never evinced any judgement. Racking my brain to suggest some reason, these were 18 year old Cali girls (even if they did go to their unchurched parents at a quite young age, like 6 or 7, and ask to be taken to church; have you ever even heard of such a thing?), and they were intent on...the things 18 year old girls should be intent on, seemed to me; finding a Godly husband to set up house with, etc, but maybe a little too attached to...human security? trusting in Mammon? successful husbands, nice houses, and insurance? but i am totally guessing, and applying my standards to them as well.

[shazeep]

Originally Posted by allstate1

So is it spiritual or physical in your opinion?

so, yes.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by allstate1

There is always a cause of true chronic pain.

Yes, but finding out "what" can be the "million dollar question" sometimes. Our bodies are so amazingly complex.