The UPC is a dying movement!

Carl · #1 10-30-2016, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

no, i cannot say this because our lexicons might not agree, @ "church," what is church. Is it an organization? what do you mean by organization, how is it organized, who organized it. is there anything written down, like in stone, that cannot be altered? especially--and i know this will sound really weird, but it us a reflection of "give me a Scriptural doctrine, and i will give you its opposite"--if there is any Scripture quoted as having primacy? sure seems like the thing to do tho, huh. lol. nope. this is a fatal wound. still may not accurately reflect the people there, tho, hmm.

Well that clarifies it.

shazeep · #2 10-31-2016, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl

Well that clarifies it.

well, the problem might be that it is the people who are the Church, and there is no other Church but the people, so, the UPCI is an organization, not a church. It is an attempt to organize the Church. Hmm. So, instead of the Church being made up of the members of the Body, the Church is being made into an organ of...something else. Now we are not talking about congregations...until they accept being an organ of something else.

And even this may not describe a person, who happens to be there in the congregation, because they may not consider themselves a...member...is a member the same as an organ? Yes, it is. So when you become a member, you become an organ, to whatever it is that you have joined. Whaddya think?

Carl · #3 10-31-2016, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well, the problem might be that it is the people who are the Church, and there is no other Church but the people, so, the UPCI is an organization, not a church. It is an attempt to organize the Church. Hmm. So, instead of the Church being made up of the members of the Body, the Church is being made into an organ of...something else. Now we are not talking about congregations...until they accept being an organ of something else.

And even this may not describe a person, who happens to be there in the congregation, because they may not consider themselves a...member...is a member the same as an organ? Yes, it is. So when you become a member, you become an organ, to whatever it is that you have joined. Whaddya think?

This is like reading Fox In Sox.

shazeep · #4 11-01-2016, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Carl

This is like reading Fox In Sox.

THE CAT IN THE oops hat knows a lot about that. or maybe Green Eggs are better. wish i could do better, but there's nothing for me to do, hmm. if you ask a specific question, i can give you a specific answer. maybe. ask the this! ask the that! ask the cat in the hat!

shazeep · #5 11-01-2016, 09:27 AM

which one?

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Originally Posted by shazeep

THE CAT IN THE oops hat knows a lot about that. or maybe Green Eggs are better. wish i could do better, but there's nothing for me to do, hmm. if you ask a specific question, i can give you a specific answer. maybe. ask the this! ask the that! ask the cat in the hat!

The Book is the Law
The Cat has the Word. (and the Word is with you)
So, go read some Cat in the Hat!

Evang.Benincasa · #6 11-12-2016, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

which one?
The Book is the Law
The Cat has the Word. (and the Word is with you)
So, go read some Cat in the Hat!

Godsdrummer · #7 10-31-2016, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by shazeep

well, the problem might be that it is the people who are the Church, and there is no other Church but the people, so, the UPCI is an organization, not a church. It is an attempt to organize the Church. Hmm. So, instead of the Church being made up of the members of the Body, the Church is being made into an organ of...something else. Now we are not talking about congregations...until they accept being an organ of something else.

And even this may not describe a person, who happens to be there in the congregation, because they may not consider themselves a...member...is a member the same as an organ? Yes, it is. So when you become a member, you become an organ, to whatever it is that you have joined. Whaddya think?

I think you are on to something here. Face it all religious organizations are based on one mans doctrines. Not the teachings of Christ. Oh yah they have the teachings of Christ in some ways, but the primary teachings are based on one mans "revelation".

Lutheran, Martin Luther. Don't have the list before me but it is a long one.

Bottom line the church of God "body of Christ" did not have a banner over the door. They did not have a set of bylaws except the scripture.
It is my opinion, the minuet a group begins to define bylaws they become like the sects of Christ day, and become a side issue. While individuals make up the body and may at the same time be part of the organization, the organization is as dead as the sect of Pharisee's in Christ day.