UPCI Mega Churches???

[consapente89]

Originally Posted by votivesoul

You know, experiencing same sex attraction or even having such lusts in the flesh and temptations toward the same isn't a sin, so long as not acted upon, and taken to the Lord in prayer and confession, with a desire to crucify the flesh with the lusts and affections thereof.

There isn't any reason to deny someone an opportunity to serve the Lord, as long as their flesh is in check and no trangressions are occurring.

I mean, how many sexy librarian female worship leaders have been up front for all the men to stumble in their hearts over?

Does the pastor never experience hetero-sexual attractions to other females he's not married to? Can he keep them under the power of the cross and not allow his flesh an occasion?

If so, he's okay to minister, right? So, wouldn't it be true of a person experiencing homo-sexual attraction? They ought to be allowed to minister their gifts in the church.

It's not about giving a pass to sinfulness, but the giving of grace to one and all, lest we forget from whence we came, and create a double standard by which some are judged unworthy for their past, their temptations, their flesh, while others are found accepted, despite their past, their temptations, their flesh.

Attraction to the opposite sex is natural while lust is sinful. Attraction to the same sex whether acted on or not is perversion. God created attraction to the opposite sex for marriage and reproduction. It may come to a surprise to many of the "Christian world" that God did NOT create men to be attracted to men or women to women....it is a perverted unnatural attraction. There is definitely an epidemic of effiminacy sweeping through Pentecost and few truly raising their voice against it. It's the above mindset that has lead to the tolerance of so many queers in leadership positions.

[votivesoul]

Originally Posted by consapente89

Attraction to the opposite sex is natural while lust is sinful. Attraction to the same sex whether acted on or not is perversion. God created attraction to the opposite sex for marriage and reproduction. It may come to a surprise to many of the "Christian world" that God did NOT create men to be attracted to men or women to women....it is a perverted unnatural attraction. There is definitely an epidemic of effiminacy sweeping through Pentecost and few truly raising their voice against it. It's the above mindset that has lead to the tolerance of so many queers in leadership positions.

Nowhere did I write that the first was natural and the other was not.

I wrote that experiencing the first is no more a sin than experiencing the second.

The actions are the sins, coupled with the lusts in the heart. A heterosexual man may be sinning a lot more than a person who has experienced same sex attractions, if his lusts and his heart are not subdued by the cross versus the person who experiences same sex attractions but keeps his lusts and his heart pure before the Lord through the cross.

Lusting after another man's wife, for example is as much perversion and ungodliness as any other kind of sexual immorality. It is just as much contrary to the Laws of God.

And if you want to know why there has been such an epidemic, maybe it's because those in the church who experience same sex attractions were given Law and not Grace, and finding no help from the ministry for their problems, found only condemnation, and so, have not been able to work through their issues properly, so as to have victory.

After all, since the fault is not God's, and since the onus for the perfecting of the saints for the work of the ministry falls upon the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers, is hard to expect the saints, many of them new converts coming out of homosexuality, to have any clear idea of how to finally overcome once and for all the lusts of their old man.

Simply receiving the Holy Spirit is no automatic guarantee of anything, when more is not added (2 Peter 1:5-7).