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06-09-2007, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by "GL"
The test of a true prophet...
Deut 18:20-22 But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet shall die.' 21 And if you say in your heart, 'How shall we know the word which the Lord has not spoken?' — 22 when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him. (NKJV)
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If this is the standard for NT prophets, then there isnt one alive. I disagree with this being the standard for NT prophets, this was the OT economy and the fact that the prophet spoke directly from God on the national stage. Also this a reference to the ulitmate prophet Jesus Christ.
I recommend reading Grudem's discourse on this theme.
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06-09-2007, 02:08 PM
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Superheros are evil...
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Originally Posted by keith4him
If this is the standard for NT prophets, then there isnt one alive...
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Wow, amazing that you would say that. When someone says "thus sayeth the Lord," when God didn't, I think it is fairly serious.
Is there mercy today? Certainly. Is there still a standard? I believe so.
As for reading the specific discourse you mentioned, I'm sticking with the Bible on this one. 
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For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! (Gal 5:13-15/ NKJV)
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06-09-2007, 02:11 PM
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Invisible Thad
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Actually, I'm sticking with the Bible on this one. |
the Old testament Prophets are not the same as the 5 fold ministry of today. OT prophets did not have the holy ghost for one thing.
there was a new set of guidelines for the gifts. stoning a prophet is not listed in the NT.
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06-09-2007, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Thad
the Old testament Prophets are not the same as the 5 fold ministry of today. OT prophets did not have the holy ghost for one thing.
there was a new set of guidelines for the gifts. stoning a prophet is not listed in the NT.
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So you are saying that the Holy Ghost filled prophets are more prone to "miss?"
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For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! (Gal 5:13-15/ NKJV)
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06-09-2007, 02:16 PM
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So you are saying that the Holy Ghost filled prophets are more prone to "miss?"
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Yes, we are saying that.
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06-09-2007, 02:19 PM
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Interesting.
So do you believe that anyone who has been used in the gift of prophecy fulfills the office of the Prophet?
How would you qualify who is a prophet and who is not?
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For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." But if you bite and devour one another, beware lest you be consumed by one another! (Gal 5:13-15/ NKJV)
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06-09-2007, 02:21 PM
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Invisible Thad
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GL if you believe the OT testament Law Applies today then you have to be consistent. take up Rocks and stone them- are you willing ??? or will you offer NT mercy ???
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06-09-2007, 02:27 PM
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Interesting.
So do you believe that anyone who has been used in the gift of prophecy fulfills the office of the Prophet?
How would you qualify who is a prophet and who is not?
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there is a difference between gift of NT prophecy and NT prophet, the gift is a temporary manifestation, the office is a person. Though similar in operation, all Christians evangelise to some degree, but a Evangelist is a person.
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06-10-2007, 09:25 PM
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Yes, we are saying that.
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They ain't prophets they are guessers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD GRIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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06-10-2007, 09:30 PM
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This has to be one of the most silliest threads I have read in my entire time on forums. Hit and miss prophets that are real?????????????????
ONE TIME wrong makes a guy a false prophet.
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