If Obama Shared Israeli Intel With Turkey...

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Reminds me of a Deacon Blues quote.

He said this a thousand times about the Obama Administration.

I bet he never saw the burning Trump-truck coming!

LOL

[jediwill83]

Jermyn, unfortunately, when it comes to the mass exodus from Africa and the Middle East it IS primarily for handouts offered by Western European govenments and they admit fully that that is the case.

We brought this upon ourselves with our global interventions and removing heads of state that were brutal by our standards but kept stability for the most part in those areas.

Speaking of opportunities though...

Wanna buy some spice rub? Lol....No but seriously. ;-)

[Jermyn Davidson]

Paul Ryan Believed That Trump Himself Has Received Money From Putin!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.2745c2ba8c4c

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Paul Ryan Believed That Trump Himself Has Received Money From Putin!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.2745c2ba8c4c

It was a joke, JD! Did you read the transcript? A lot of "[laughter]" before and after McCarthy made his dumb joke.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by jediwill83

Jermyn, unfortunately, when it comes to the mass exodus from Africa and the Middle East it IS primarily for handouts offered by Western European govenments and they admit fully that that is the case.

We brought this upon ourselves with our global interventions and removing heads of state that were brutal by our standards but kept stability for the most part in those areas.

Speaking of opportunities though...

Wanna buy some spice rub? Lol....No but seriously. ;-)

Your post speaks on three subjects all at once and intermingles them in a way that makes informed discussion impossible.


1) We are speaking of illegal immigration to America. Most of the illegal immigrants coming to America are not Middle Easterners or Africans. However, as seen in the past, it is very easy to "over-stay" your visa and therefore make yourself an illegal immigrant.


2) Not sure what you have seen and witnessed but the African and Middle Eastern immigrants that actually make it to America are NOT lazy and have STRONG family and social structures within their communities.


3) Removing heads of states where there human beings were being gassed, tortured, and killed has been a HALLMARK of American Foreign Policy (publically stated anyway). As the WORLD'S strongest superpower, we have never backed down from our commitment to freedom for oppressed people.


4) The problems that the southern European problems are having are due, in part, to policies that have PURPOSEFULLY stymied or even sabotaged the economic growth and political stabilities of the countries of the Middle East and the African continent.

You want what is happening there to not happen in America? Find a way to properly engage the nations of North, Central, and South America. Part of the reason why Central America is so desperately bad is because of OUR economic policies towards them in the early 1900's. I have read repeatedly that the largest population of illegal immigrants in America are not from Mexico. They are actually from Nicaragua and Guatemala-- two countries that we specifically targeted in times past to ensure that their countries remain as poo-holes.

Still, the majority of the Guatemalans and Nicaraguans that actually don't die on their journey here, are not lawbreakers outside of the laws associated with their status as illegal immigrants.

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I can prove where he lied about Obama spying on him.

I can prove where he was told by Obama and by others to NOT HIRE or TO REMOVE FLYNN.

I can prove he "embellished" or even flat out lied when trying to take credit for the economy with data that was collected while Obama was President (the same data that he said was "fake", he tried to use it to pat himself on the back).

At one point, wasn't HIS OWN NARRATIVE that neither he or anyone on his staff had inappropriate communications with the Russian government while he was running for President?

I think it is pretty conclusive that "Obama" (administration) did spy on him.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by n david

It was a joke, JD! Did you read the transcript? A lot of "[laughter]" before and after McCarthy made his dumb joke.

"Some of the lawmakers laughed at McCarthy’s comment. Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.”

Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks...This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

The remarks remained secret for nearly a year.

[Read the transcript of the conversation among GOP leaders obtained by The Post]

The conversation provides a glimpse at the internal views of GOP leaders who now find themselves under mounting pressure over the conduct of President Trump. The exchange shows that the Republican leadership in the House privately discussed Russia’s involvement in the 2016 election and Trump’s relationship to Putin, but wanted to keep their concerns secret. It is difficult to tell from the recording the extent to which the remarks were meant to be taken literally.Some of the lawmakers laughed at McCarthy’s comment. Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.”

Ryan instructed his Republican lieutenants to keep the conversation private, saying: “No leaks...This is how we know we’re a real family here.”

The remarks remained secret for nearly a year.

[Read the transcript of the conversation among GOP leaders obtained by The Post]

The conversation provides a glimpse at the internal views of GOP leaders who now find themselves under mounting pressure over the conduct of President Trump. The exchange shows that the Republican leadership in the House privately discussed Russia’s involvement in the 2016 election and Trump’s relationship to Putin, but wanted to keep their concerns secret. It is difficult to tell from the recording the extent to which the remarks were meant to be taken literally.
"



1) Not all of the lawmakers laughed.

2) McCarthy followed up with a swear to God but this could have been one of those jokes that wasn't really a joke.

3) Ryan pledged the hearers to secrecy. I mean, it could have been a joke-- but think about it-- what if it wasn't?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I think it is pretty conclusive that "Obama" (administration) did spy on him.

How do you baptize people?

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Originalist

I think it is pretty conclusive that "Obama" (administration) did spy on him.

Obama didn't "spy" on Trump.

Investigating potential collusion with Russia (a foreign power) is not spying. That is the FBI's job!

[n david]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

"Some of the lawmakers laughed at McCarthy’s comment. Then McCarthy quickly added: “Swear to God.”

That's not the transcript, that's the reporter's take on what happened -- and he wasn't there! "Some?" How does the reporter, who wasn't even there, know how many actually laughed?

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

[Read the transcript of the conversation among GOP leaders obtained by The Post]

Your source gives you an opportunity to read the actual transcript; instead you stick with commentary from a reporter who wasn't in the room.