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good samaritan · #1 05-23-2017, 09:25 AM

EB, made a good point that if the person's intent is all that made cross dressing wrong, then if the intent was changed cross dressing would be o.k. I would like to say that the majority of women that wear pants don't have that wrong intent. Most women that wear pants do for more practical purposes and cultural relevance. But, do people not see that pants have gained popularity in a season of moral and spiritual decline.

It is the little foxes that spoil the vines. At the beginning of the 20th century, our country was considered a Christian nation. American culture may not have been perfect, but Christianity was what we were in some flavor or another. We have seen prayer banned in schools while handing out contraceptives. The industrial age introduced our mothers into a workplace that was not acceptable in generations before.

Mothers have left their families in trust to daycare and school systems for more money. People have more today than they did back then. More cars, bigger houses, technology, more and nicer clothes...... We have forsaken the fountain of living water for cisterns that can hold no water.

People can keep excusing behavior for cultural relevance, but all the while, our culture stinks in the nostrils of God. I am not saying that a woman well go to hell over pants, but I will also not tell a woman that she is o.k. either. Jeff Arnold preached a sermon a while back that the title has stuck with me, "The thing that matters most, we must please God". Where is God ranked in our list of people to please.

People don't seem to even care if they please God. We can argue back and forth on if De 22:5 applies to ladies in jeans. Yes, to me it does, but the question is what is shaping our interpretation. Are we allowing culture to interpret the scripture or are we truly seeking what is God's desire.

If culture makes a move that is moral or godly we should join, but if culture makes a move that is ungodly or questionable then we should stay where we are. When ladies began wearing pants was that something we think that raised the spiritual bar?

Aquila · #2 05-23-2017, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by good samaritan

EB, made a good point that if the person's intent is all that made cross dressing wrong, then if the intent was changed cross dressing would be o.k. I would like to say that the majority of women that wear pants don't have that wrong intent. Most women that wear pants do for more practical purposes and cultural relevance. But, do people not see that pants have gained popularity in a season of moral and spiritual decline.

It is the little foxes that spoil the vines. At the beginning of the 20th century, our country was considered a Christian nation. American culture may not have been perfect, but Christianity was what we were in some flavor or another. We have seen prayer banned in schools while handing out contraceptives. The industrial age introduced our mothers into a workplace that was not acceptable in generations before.

Mothers have left their families in trust to daycare and school systems for more money. People have more today than they did back then. More cars, bigger houses, technology, more and nicer clothes...... We have forsaken the fountain of living water for cisterns that can hold no water.

People can keep excusing behavior for cultural relevance, but all the while, our culture stinks in the nostrils of God. I am not saying that a woman well go to hell over pants, but I will also not tell a woman that she is o.k. either. Jeff Arnold preached a sermon a while back that the title has stuck with me, "The thing that matters most, we must please God". Where is God ranked in our list of people to please.

People don't seem to even care if they please God. We can argue back and forth on if De 22:5 applies to ladies in jeans. Yes, to me it does, but the question is what is shaping our interpretation. Are we allowing culture to interpret the scripture or are we truly seeking what is God's desire.

If culture makes a move that is moral or godly we should join, but if culture makes a move that is ungodly or questionable then we should stay where we are. When ladies began wearing pants was that something we think that raised the spiritual bar?

Most commentators I've read on Deuteronomy don't explain it as addressing normal every day attire, and most wrote their commentaries on the meaning of Deuteronomy 22:5 before women's' pants became popular.

Plus, I think we often romanticize the "good ol' days", you know, back when grandpa beat grandma or slapped her if she were out of line and no one thought it was an issue. Incest and molestation was far more common in families. Drinking was rarely even mentioned... even if dad drank himself silly every night.

Things were not perfect back then. But the image of perfection was rather important. I believe most of what is in the open today was with us then, there was just more discretion. They hid it better.

As for the church, yes, I can see the church's influence dropping. People are abandoning it. I believe it is because churches are becoming increasingly less relevant to their lives. In addition, the religious political agenda of the church isn't something a lot of people agree with.

good samaritan · #3 05-23-2017, 10:51 AM

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Most commentators I've read on Deuteronomy don't explain it as addressing normal every day attire, and most wrote their commentaries on the meaning of Deuteronomy 22:5 before women's' pants became popular.

Plus, I think we often romanticize the "good ol' days", you know, back when grandpa beat grandma or slapped her if she were out of line and no one thought it was an issue. Incest and molestation was far more common in families. Drinking was rarely even mentioned... even if dad drank himself silly every night.

I never said that sin did not exsist before the 20th century, but if you are suggesting our country is growing closer to God I don't know what to say.

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Things were not perfect back then. But the image of perfection was rather important. I believe most of what is in the open today was with us then, there was just more discretion. They hid it better.

It had nothing to do with the an image of perfection, but just plain shame. I was a shame for some of the things people do today to be done back then. You are right people were ashamed back then to do publicly what they do today. You say it as if it is a good thing that we have culture that displays their sins as if they are proud of it. Sin should be repented of not heralded.

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As for the church, yes, I can see the church's influence dropping. People are abandoning it. I believe it is because churches are becoming increasingly less relevant to their lives. In addition, the religious political agenda of the church isn't something a lot of people agree with.

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Mt 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved:but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

The world is getting worse.