You've based an entire premise on three captive Hebrews in Babylon. Whom you swear were wearing the latest style of Hebrew Levis. LOL
Another lie from Aquila. Please demonstrate where I said the three Hebrew young men were "wearing the latest style of Hebrew Levis". You can't because I never said that. I have repeatedly said they were wearing pants. A point you once said you agreed with. Are you now saying they were not? I would expect an apology but I know that it is not going to come.
Show me evidence that the Hebrew males wore pants as part of their regular attire at home in their native land. For that is where they would have practiced
Deuteronomy 22:5 in truest form.
This is a silly question. Since when is righteousness limited to a geographical area? Is it okay to steal in a foreign land? Is it okay to murder in a foreign land? How about rape? Can a man lie with another man in a foreign land? The entire question reveals the stark lack of a coherent thought process. No, that is not an insult. It is an observation based upon nonsensical questions like this. Based on this, Judea is the only place the Law can be practiced. Absurd does not begin to explain the fallacy of this logic. I guess since they were out of Judea they could do whatever they wanted. It is fascinating that these men chose to maintain their faith regardless of the geographical location and did so on the pain of death. Yet you would sully their reputation to justify yourself. Sad, really sad.
Pants issued by Babylon,
probably given to them when they received their Babylonian names.
Now you say the pants were probably given to them. You do know that the word probably means there is reasonable doubt. You see this is why I say you cannot hold a coherent thought. You argue that they were definitively assimilated in Babylon and this is where and why they had pants on. Now, you suggest doubt. If you are changing your mind then this is acceptable. However, if you continue, as I am certain you will, to contend that they were absolutely positively assimilated then you have a convoluted thought process. On the one hand you are positive while on the other hand you are not. Be consistent with your logic...
God and myself know the conditions of the Babylonian captivity. Evidently you need to go back and study up on it.
Oh... No pride in this statement. you and God know the conditions of Babylon therefore, since you are as smart as God you can tell me I am wrong without evidence, Fascinating!
You have three captive Hebrews wearing Babylonian garb that included pants in Babylon, and you're clinging to it like your last line of defense. Because... it is. LOL
I am fair. That statement I can agree with. They did not see anything wrong with wearing the Babylonian pants issued to them in their captivity. However, they would not have been wearing those pants had they not been taken captive. They'd be wearing what all ancient Israelites wore, tunics. Tunics that were actually quite similar to those worn by their female counterparts.
You see? In the above statement you said they were probably given the pants. Now you have gone back, as I knew you would, and made a definitive declaration. You also seem to know their motives and what they would or would not have done based on one thing only - your supernatural knowledge of the events that only you and God know. The truth is you do not know what they were wearing before their captivity because there is NOTHING that says what they were wearing. But hey, I guess you have super secret knowledge of Babylon.
No they didn't. They went to a fiery furnace because of their love for God. What is the hang-up with "identity" over God? Oh, let me guess... trying to preserve all those unbiblical standards, I assume.
Okay, now these assimilated men went into the fiery furnace because of their love for God? And you question why I say you cannot hold a coherent thought?
No, they were captive prisoners of war. The Babylonians stripped them of their Hebrew names, stripped them of their Hebrew dress, stripped them of their Hebrew freedoms. Yet they refused to eat the king's meat and refused to bow to the king's idol, even in the face of death. They were politically defeated, yet spiritually victorious.
LOL! Were they assimilated or not? LOL! Demonstrate where they were made to wear pants. Since you and God know about the Babylonian captivity (remember those are your words) tell us how they "stripped them of their Hebrew dress". Did they cut their clothes off and parade them through the streets? Did the rip them off? Did they make them strip themselves? Since this happened to "all" of them it should be easy to demonstrate where a godly woman wore pants as well. Please do so. However, I will not hold my breath. Two things are certain. God indeed knows and you do not.
Look, if
Deuteronomy 22:5 requires such radical distinction, one has to ask... why did both males and females essentially wear the same style of clothing throughout ancient Israel's history within the Holy Land? It is very relevant to this discussion. Because nearly 4,00 years of history testifies to
Deuteronomy 22:5 NOT being interpreted as you are interpreting it.
Hmmm... nearly 4,00 years of history testifies against my interpretation? I think you missed a zero... So when did the Bible change? When and who changed the Bible to make it appear as though these three men wore pants? Inquiring minds would like to know if the man who claims to know as much as God, at least about the Babylonian captivity, can tell us who changed the record.
Nevertheless, I'm still standing. I know the truth.
Yes, apparently you and God. I think I will stick with the Bible.
Here's a question that will answer one of our most divisive disagreements on this matter.
Why were the three Hebrews issued Babylonian names and addressed by their Babylonian names while captive in Babylon???
Because that is what the Babylonians called them. See how easy that was. It is not divisive at all. Why do Chinese people take American sounding names? Why did my Spanish class call me Paco? Are you now back to the absolute assimilation of these men? Your whole theory is nonsensical. Get over it.
Please answer this question for me. I want to see how you dance around the fact that the Babylonians tried to rob them of their Hebrew identity, and that would include forcing them to wear Babylonian attire, which included the pants that you're reading about.
LOL! You are the only one dancing around the issue. You spout off about kilts and defend your wife wearing pants then get your feeling hurt when someone says your wife wears the pants in the family. LOL! I suppose you believe Daniel had lost his Jewish identity as well. Based on your logic the Hebrew nation was assimilated into Babylon but somehow was born again under Persian rule. See what I mean about your inability to maintain a coherent thought? You will probably get your feelings hurt again but it is just an observation. And note - you said above the Hebrews probably were given the pants and now, within the same post, they are being forced to wear pants. Like I said - no coherent thought process.
You've staked your entire argument on three pairs of Babylonian pants. LOL
No. That is not true but I will let it slide. I am still waiting for the ONE godly woman that wore pants. According to you and your special knowledge it should be easy to demonstrate since they were all probably given... no strike that. They were all forced to wear pants. In essence you have staked your entire argument on, well... literally nothing.
No one in ancient Israel wore pants (the Levites wore only breeches, when serving before the altar). The average Israelite wore tunics. And there is no biblical evidence that the Levites wore these breeches when not serving before the altar.
Now we are back to "average" Israelite's. So what did non-average Israelite's wear? You cannot know that every single soul wore what you demand they wore. You might be able to say the general custom was such and such but you cannot say everyone without exception wore the exact same thing as you want them to. That is absurd. Talk about Eisegesis! What do we know? Three godly Hebrew young men wore pants and Aquila can provide absolutely NO evidence, zero, nada, nothing, about godly women wearing pants. This is in spite of the fact that they were all probably given... no, wait, we are back to them all being forced to wear pants.
Okay, no one in ancient Israel wore "bifurcated" PANTS until they were taken captive into Babylon. Until then, men and women wore tunics, similar in cut and style with minor differences as it related to length, fabric, and color.
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