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Old 07-04-2017, 12:15 PM
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But I saw that they were not properly following the truth of the Gospel. So I told Peter in front of everyone, "You're Judean, but you live like a person who is not of Judea. So how can you insist that people who are not Judean must live like Judeans? Just a little straightening out Peter not understanding the teachings. James tells Paul that thousands of Judeans have become Apostolics, been baptized in Jesus name and keep the law of Moses. Because they still continued in the Law in the temple because the temple was still standing. Paul understood he and the other Judean Christians had to continue in the Law system while the temple still stood. Yet, the understood that the precepts, and constructs of the law did nothing for them because the Messiah had come. They had understanding that the schoolmaster had done his job, and they were in the new and living way. Yet, they were to continue to be all things to all men. To the Judean, they were to be Judean, to the Greek they were to be Greek. Yet, Peter got all this a little botched up, and took it to an extreme. Where he separated himself from the Apostolic Greek Romans. Making everyone look bad, while he still had boudin in his teeth. Peter drew away other brothers. Paul had to straighten it all out because it was Peter's fault.

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11 But when Peter was come to Antioch, I withstood him to the face, because he was to be blamed. 12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles:but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.
Peters motivation for snubbing the Gentiles wasn't that he didn't know the truth of the gospel and needed a little more teaching. It was for fear of what others might think about him. Peter was wrong.

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14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Paul rebuked Peter in front of them all because it was something they all needed to hear. Those snobby Jews acted the way they did much out of ignorance. Peter on the other hand, had already been spoken to by God on the subject. Peter was afraid of what the Jews would think of him. Paul by calling out Peter actually teaches the whole bunch. Peter was actually following the crowd to do wrong.
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Peters motivation for snubbing the Gentiles wasn't that he didn't know the truth of the gospel and needed a little more teaching. It was for fear of what others might think about him. Peter was wrong.



Paul rebuked Peter in front of them all because it was something they all needed to hear. Those snobby Jews acted the way they did much out of ignorance. Peter on the other hand, had already been spoken to by God on the subject. Peter was afraid of what the Jews would think of him. Paul by calling out Peter actually teaches the whole bunch. Peter was actually following the crowd to do wrong.
Peter understood what Paul understood. Paul and Peter understood that they were continuing in the law just like the Apostolic Judeans in Jerusalem. They both understood that the weren't under the bondage of the Law. They did it because they were to be all things to all men. The law while the temple was still standing. The law was still the schoolmaster to lead the Judaic Judeans to Christ. Paul knew this, Peter knew this. Peter separated himself keeping his thoughts secret hence the reason why the KJV translators chose to interpret the Greek ὑποκρίσει with the English "dissimulation. The KJV translators were attempting to show that Peter was doing all this covertly. Yet, Paul notices because Peter was influencing other ministers. As far as Peter denying the Romans like He denied Christ? we just don't have all that information. We know that every jot and tittle was still within the law practices until the temple comes down. We understand that after James hears Paul's testimony of what he had accomplished in the Gospel among the Romans. James witnesses to Paul concerning thousands of Judeans who were converted and were all zealous of the law Acts 21:20-22

There was a rumor that Paul didn't keep Torah, and was preaching to Diaspora Judeans that they should also not keep Torah. Yet, the Jerusalem church advised Paul to go to the temple for ritual washings concerning a Nazarite vow which Paul was keeping at the time. Paul kept a vow when he was with Aquila and Priscilla. In Acts 20:1-6 Paul kept Passover, in Acts 20:16 Paul hastened to go to Jerusalem for the festival of Pentecost. He did these things to be all things to all men that he might save some. When he meets Peter in Galatia, Peter was trying to do the same thing, but acted out of secrecy, and fear. People get off track, and Paul helped Peter get back on track through stern explanation. Peter remembers his brother in his own epistle 2 Peter 3:16. Peter goes on to say, "consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved Brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. Paul writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

As far as Peter already getting told by God about the issue. Barak was told by God before he went to Deborah. She tells him this, and he tells her that he wouldn't go unless she went along for the ride. She then tells him because he needed to drag a woman into battle. He wouldn't get the honor, but a woman would God use to win the war. Embarrassing for Barak but not sinful. Because in Hebrews 11 Barak is a hero of faith, not Deborah, or Jael.

So, let me ask you about this, why is this section with Peter important to our current discussion?
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Peter understood what Paul understood. Paul and Peter understood that they were continuing in the law just like the Apostolic Judeans in Jerusalem. They both understood that the weren't under the bondage of the Law. They did it because they were to be all things to all men. The law while the temple was still standing. The law was still the schoolmaster to lead the Judaic Judeans to Christ. Paul knew this, Peter knew this. Peter separated himself keeping his thoughts secret hence the reason why the KJV translators chose to interpret the Greek ὑποκρίσει with the English "dissimulation. The KJV translators were attempting to show that Peter was doing all this covertly. Yet, Paul notices because Peter was influencing other ministers. As far as Peter denying the Romans like He denied Christ? we just don't have all that information. We know that every jot and tittle was still within the law practices until the temple comes down. We understand that after James hears Paul's testimony of what he had accomplished in the Gospel among the Romans. James witnesses to Paul concerning thousands of Judeans who were converted and were all zealous of the law Acts 21:20-22

There was a rumor that Paul didn't keep Torah, and was preaching to Diaspora Judeans that they should also not keep Torah. Yet, the Jerusalem church advised Paul to go to the temple for ritual washings concerning a Nazarite vow which Paul was keeping at the time. Paul kept a vow when he was with Aquila and Priscilla. In Acts 20:1-6 Paul kept Passover, in Acts 20:16 Paul hastened to go to Jerusalem for the festival of Pentecost. He did these things to be all things to all men that he might save some. When he meets Peter in Galatia, Peter was trying to do the same thing, but acted out of secrecy, and fear. People get off track, and Paul helped Peter get back on track through stern explanation. Peter remembers his brother in his own epistle 2 Peter 3:16. Peter goes on to say, "consider also that our Lord’s patience brings salvation, just as our beloved Brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom God gave him. Paul writes this way in all his letters, speaking in them about such matters. Some parts of his letters are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction."

As far as Peter already getting told by God about the issue. Barak was told by God before he went to Deborah. She tells him this, and he tells her that he wouldn't go unless she went along for the ride. She then tells him because he needed to drag a woman into battle. He wouldn't get the honor, but a woman would God use to win the war. Embarrassing for Barak but not sinful. Because in Hebrews 11 Barak is a hero of faith, not Deborah, or Jael.

So, let me ask you about this, why is this section with Peter important to our current discussion?
Moral failure. I gave some examples of where some biblical Men of God went wrong or at least may have went wrong.
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Moral failure. I gave some examples of where some biblical Men of God went wrong or at least may have went wrong.
1 Timothy 1:13 speaks of Paul being a blasphemer in ignorance. So this is the strongest indicator that learning curves are allowed. 2 Peter 3:14-17, has Peter warning those who already have some understanding of what's going on. Peter then points out that Paul's wisdom was acquired from God. Peter goes on to say Paul writes his letters the same way, things which are difficult to understand. Keep in mind it is Peter who is writing these words. The same Peter who wanted to eat fat back with the Romans but also be a influence of his brethren being an elder in the church. Peter needed Paul, and Paul rose to the occasion to help a brother out. Not like the Industrial Church Complex thinks it should be done. With a foot rub, with lotion, and sweet calming words, to sooth over the mistake. But a good Apostolic talk to on how the cow ate the cabbage. It was elder to elder, not babe in Christ who didn't know any better. But seasoned ministry one who spent time with Christ. You got to give Peter this, his old pastor told him not to go the way of the Gentiles. He argues with God three time on how he never ate crawfish sauce piquante with a few links of gator boudin. He was at the meeting and even helped out Paul, Barnabas, with his testimony that he went into a Gentiles house, James thought it was so awesome that he proclaimed that the tabernacle of David which had fallen down was now restored with the entrance of the Romans into the church. Yet, it seems that Peter still had to figure out how all this worked. So, when he was in Galatia he still didn't work out all the bugs? Paul had to deal with him in front of all that all may fear. Calling people out on the carpet is for ministry by ministry. Not saints, that's just my opinion. Peter was afraid of the doctrine of the Roman Greeks be grafted into the domestic olive tree. No sin in that, and he had a brother available to help him land the plane. Everyone gets a little sideways, but there is always someone available to help straighten you out.
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