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View Poll Results: Do you find Revelation hard to understand?
The book of Revelation is very clear to me 4 36.36%
I'm undecided as to the interpretation of Revelation 7 63.64%
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Old 07-14-2017, 11:42 PM
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Bound is bound. Released is released. We don't "bind Satan". We cannot incarcerate him and keep him in isolation. We can bind his activities and essentially push him out of our lives, homes, etc.. But he's very much roaming freely as a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour.

If we, and the world at large, is dealing with Satan who is "bound" right now... Will we lose all power to bind his activity as it relates to the saints of God once he is released at the end of this hellish millennium you believe we are in? And if the world today is what we have with Satan bound... what unimaginable horrors will be unleashed when Satan is released after this "millennium"?
Bondage has degrees, Aquila. A dog on a leash is bound. Can it walk. Yes. A dog tied by its hands and feet is also bound. Can it walk? No. Depends on the degree of bondage. Bound has varying degrees. We have to determine which by context.


Now tell me about destructionin Heb 2:14, which you totally ignored in my post. Is destroyed destroyed? In what way?

I recall now something about your responses. I was trying to recall and now I remember. You pick and choose what you answer from me and demand I answ all your posts. Let's not play that game. Let's respond to everything. Respond to what I stated about Hebrews 2:14 and how that relates to bondage in Rev 20. Let's be thorough. I am almost a couple thousand miles away from home driving back this weekend. So my time is limited. But I will get all to you. Please do the same for my posts.
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Bondage has degrees, Aquila. A dog on a leash is bound. Can it walk. Yes. A dog tied by its hands and feet is also bound. Can it walk? No. Depends on the degree of bondage. Bound has varying degrees. We have to determine which by context.


Now tell me about destructionin Heb 2:14, which you totally ignored in my post. Is destroyed destroyed? In what way?

I recall now something about your responses. I was trying to recall and now I remember. You pick and choose what you answer from me and demand I answ all your posts. Let's not play that game. Let's respond to everything. Respond to what I stated about Hebrews 2:14 and how that relates to bondage in Rev 20. Let's be thorough. I am almost a couple thousand miles away from home driving back this weekend. So my time is limited. But I will get all to you. Please do the same for my posts.
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Aquila will not respond to me about my point in Hebrews 2:14. Hmmm...
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Aquila will not respond to me about my point in Hebrews 2:14. Hmmm...
Aquila does that a lot.
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Bondage has degrees, Aquila. A dog on a leash is bound. Can it walk. Yes. A dog tied by its hands and feet is also bound. Can it walk? No. Depends on the degree of bondage. Bound has varying degrees. We have to determine which by context.


Now tell me about destructionin Heb 2:14, which you totally ignored in my post. Is destroyed destroyed? In what way?

I recall now something about your responses. I was trying to recall and now I remember. You pick and choose what you answer from me and demand I answ all your posts. Let's not play that game. Let's respond to everything. Respond to what I stated about Hebrews 2:14 and how that relates to bondage in Rev 20. Let's be thorough. I am almost a couple thousand miles away from home driving back this weekend. So my time is limited. But I will get all to you. Please do the same for my posts.
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Re: Do you think Revelations is enigmatic?

Was destroyed, destroyed?





http://biblehub.com/romans/16-20.htm

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Was destroyed, destroyed?





http://biblehub.com/romans/16-20.htm
Do you imply Heb 2:14 was a lie?

Or do you understand the point that destroy is in a certain sense, like the concept of bondage?
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Do you imply Heb 2:14 was a lie?


Or do you understand the point that destroy is in a certain sense, like the concept of bondage?
No sir, Not a lie.


Meaning: That He might break the power of him, satan, who holds the power of death...(as the NIV renders it).
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destroy the STING found in death.

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No sir, Not a lie.


Meaning: That He might break the power of him, satan, who holds the power of death...(as the NIV renders it).
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destroy the STING found in death.
do you think he is bound, as in Revelation 20 bound?

He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years

as in amillennialism?
https://www.gotquestions.org/amillennialism.html
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No sir, Not a lie.


Meaning: That He might break the power of him, satan, who holds the power of death...(as the NIV renders it).
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destroy the STING found in death.
Amen. So if destroy in Heb is no lie, then that harsh term does not mean satan does not exist. And the far less strong term in Rev 20 that says bound does not mean satan cannot do anything either.
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