Apostoic worship??

n david · #1 07-31-2017, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeBandy

Everywhere in scripture I read when man is contact with God its face down and prone.

“But about midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them, and suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and every one’s fetters were unfastened.”

Doubtful they were face down and prone while wearing shackles in jail.

“…but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another with Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with all your heart, always and for everything giving thanks in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God the Father.”

“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, as you teach and admonish one another in all wisdom, and as you sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your hearts to God. And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.”

“Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is any cheerful? Let him sing praise.”

"But ye shall only do thus face down and prone," says no scripture ever.

MawMaw · #2 07-31-2017, 10:17 AM

Luke 19:40 King James Version (KJV)

40 And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

And I tell you respectfully, Mr Bandy,
ain't no rock gonna cry out in my place!!!

JoeBandy · #3 07-31-2017, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

“But about midnight Paul and Silas were praying and singing hymns to God, and the prisoners were listening to them, and suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken; and immediately all the doors were opened and every one’s fetters were unfastened.”

Doubtful they were face down and prone while wearing shackles in jail.

“…but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another with Psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with all your heart, always and for everything giving thanks in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ to God the Father.”

“Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, as you teach and admonish one another in all wisdom, and as you sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your hearts to God. And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.”

“Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is any cheerful? Let him sing praise.”

"But ye shall only do thus face down and prone," says no scripture ever.

I agree with all these praise methods but no where do I see in scripture the wildness that I am referring to.

n david · #4 07-31-2017, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I agree with all these praise methods but no where do I see in scripture the wildness that I am referring to.

Nowhere have I seen or heard of someone actually swinging from a ceiling fan as you mentioned. You mentioned three things in the OP: run, dance and swing from the ceiling fan. Only two of those actually happen in churches - running and dancing. Both are scriptural from both Old and New Testament.

MawMaw · #5 07-31-2017, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Nowhere have I seen or heard of someone actually swinging from a ceiling fan as you mentioned. You mentioned three things in the OP: run, dance and swing from the ceiling fan. Only two of those actually happen in churches - running and dancing. Both are scriptural from both Old and New Testament.

Jermyn Davidson · #6 07-31-2017, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by n david

Nowhere have I seen or heard of someone actually swinging from a ceiling fan as you mentioned. You mentioned three things in the OP: run, dance and swing from the ceiling fan. Only two of those actually happen in churches - running and dancing. Both are scriptural from both Old and New Testament.

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Originally Posted by MawMaw

I think he was using a figure of speech guys.

Not that we need to be reminded, but there are plenty outside of Pentecost who have the same questions he has with some of the things that happen in our church services.

One thing that gets me is the phenomenon when a lot of people are speaking in tongues at the same time as they praise and worship the Lord. I am just unsure how to present scripture that justifies this action to those who criticize Pentecostals from the outside.

Even more problematic for me is when the preacher or whoever happens to be holding the mic speaks in tongues right into the mic as either a way to praise and worship the Lord and to bring strong emphasis to something that is said or happening in that moment.

Admittedly, I am the last person that wants to be a part of a dead church-- where the Gifts of the Spirit are not manifested, where people are not praising and worshipping the Lord in a Biblically demonstrative manner.

returnman · #7 07-31-2017, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I think he was using a figure of speech guys.

Not that we need to be reminded, but there are plenty outside of Pentecost who have the same questions he has with some of the things that happen in our church services.

One thing that gets me is the phenomenon when a lot of people are speaking in tongues at the same time as they praise and worship the Lord. I am just unsure as to present scripture that justifies this action to those who criticize Pentecostals from the outside.

Even more problematic for me is when the preacher or whoever happens to be holding the mic speaks in tongues right into the mic as either a way to praise and worship the Lord and to bring strong emphasis to something that is said or happening in that moment.

Admittedly, I am the last person that wants to be a part of a dead church-- where the Gifts of the Spirit are not manifested, where people are not praising and worshipping the Lord in a Biblically demonstrative manner.

This reflects back on a lot of years with me as well. Good point.

JoeBandy · #8 07-31-2017, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I think he was using a figure of speech guys.

Not that we need to be reminded, but there are plenty outside of Pentecost who have the same questions he has with some of the things that happen in our church services.

One thing that gets me is the phenomenon when a lot of people are speaking in tongues at the same time as they praise and worship the Lord. I am just unsure how to present scripture that justifies this action to those who criticize Pentecostals from the outside.

Even more problematic for me is when the preacher or whoever happens to be holding the mic speaks in tongues right into the mic as either a way to praise and worship the Lord and to bring strong emphasis to something that is said or happening in that moment.

Admittedly, I am the last person that wants to be a part of a dead church-- where the Gifts of the Spirit are not manifested, where people are not praising and worshipping the Lord in a Biblically demonstrative manner.

This reminds me of a time I was attending the church in Denham Springs when the minister completely stops multiple people speaking in tongues at the same time. He then preceded to use scripture for his reasoning on why he did. I can not remember the preacher he was some yankee. First and only time I have seen this done.

Jermyn Davidson · #9 07-31-2017, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeBandy

This reminds me of a time I was attending the church in Denham Springs when the minister completely stops multiple people speaking in tongues at the same time. He then preceded to use scripture for his reasoning on why he did. I can not remember the preacher he was some yankee. First and only time I have seen this done.

The best (and I guess only) justification I have been able to come up with is that near the end of Paul's preaching on how speaking in tongues and prophecy should happen in our services is his clear admonition to, "DON'T FORBID PEOPLE FROM SPEAKING IN TONGUES."

n david · #10 07-31-2017, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

I think he was using a figure of speech guys.

Obviously. I didn't believe he was being serious. Most people who poo poo demonstrative worship bring up that type of non-existent foolishness in an attempt to discourage any type of demonstrative worship.

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Not that we need to be reminded, but there are plenty outside of Pentecost who have the same questions he has with some of the things that happen in our church services.

I would, too, if I saw someone swinging from a ceiling fan.

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

One thing that gets me is the phenomenon when a lot of people are speaking in tongues at the same time as they praise and worship the Lord. I am just unsure how to present scripture that justifies this action to those who criticize Pentecostals from the outside.

There were critics on the day of Pentecost as well. People mocked and said they were drunk.

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Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

Even more problematic for me is when the preacher or whoever happens to be holding the mic speaks in tongues right into the mic as either a way to praise and worship the Lord and to bring strong emphasis to something that is said or happening in that moment.

I don't fault them for it. Sometimes you can't hold it in.