Apostoic worship??

[aegsm76]

JB - is it ok to use musical instruments in church?
I mean nowhere in the NT are they used.
Also, I am now wondering about vehicles to get to church.
I mean the early church walked everywhere they went...

[n david]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

JB - is it ok to use musical instruments in church?
I mean nowhere in the NT are they used.
Also, I am now wondering about vehicles to get to church.
I mean the early church walked everywhere they went...

Let's not mention the altar call or offering. Heaven forbid a church has a choir or soloist. Electricity wasn't invented, so obviously Sure cordless mics are of the debbil. Paul didn't wear an earbud to hear himself either!

Lord, have mercy!

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by n david

Let's not mention the altar call or offering. Heaven forbid a church has a choir or soloist. Electricity wasn't invented, so obviously Sure cordless mics are of the debbil. Paul didn't wear an earbud to hear himself either!

Lord, have mercy!

well..... just when this thread had a chance to become intellectual

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

well..... just when this thread had a chance to become intellectual

Joe,

Did you watch the video of the older couple dancing at NAYC? I think ndavid posted it early in this thread. If you haven't watched it, it's worth your 30 seconds to view it.

If you did see it, do you see anything wrong with their worship? If you do, please explain.

If you don't have a problem with their worship, then you'll need to explain the anti-demonstrative position you've taken on worship.

I preached Sunday night and my title was "When your shout is louder than your adversary"... so I think you know where I stand on the issue

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Joe,

Did you watch the video of the older couple dancing at NAYC? I think ndavid posted it early in this thread. If you haven't watched it, it's worth your 30 seconds to view it.

If you did see it, do you see anything wrong with their worship? If you do, please explain.

If you don't have a problem with their worship, then you'll need to explain the anti-demonstrative position you've taken on worship.

I preached Sunday night and my title was "When your shout is louder than your adversary"... so I think you know where I stand on the issue

I would have walked out when you announce your title!! ok ok I don't know exactly what you preached. But going from the title I bet you had a lot of shout during service. This is the kind of thing I oppose. It does not matter how loud your shout is or high and often you jump or flail or dance. The notion that your adversary reacts to your shout is absurd. The notion that anything happens based entirely on our degree of praise takes away from "by HIS stripes we were healed"!!!! Was not there a person healed just by a shadow passing over?? If that does not tell you something I guess we are not even close in stance. It has always confused me when preachers pump and prime for demonstrative worship and say things like "if you want a miracle do this and such" and then turn around and preach the power of using the name of Jesus. I got news for ya ALL YOU NEED IS JESUS!!!!!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I would have walked out when you announce your title!! ok ok I don't know exactly what you preached. But going from the title I bet you had a lot of shout during service. This is the kind of thing I oppose. It does not matter how loud your shout is or high and often you jump or flail or dance. The notion that your adversary reacts to your shout is absurd. The notion that anything happens based entirely on our degree of praise takes away from "by HIS stripes we were healed"!!!! Was not there a person healed just by a shadow passing over?? If that does not tell you something I guess we are not even close in stance. It has always confused me when preachers pump and prime for demonstrative worship and say things like "if you want a miracle do this and such" and then turn around and preach the power of using the name of Jesus. I got news for ya ALL YOU NEED IS JESUS!!!!!

In the "old days" you had to calm folks down. Now we gotta pump em up?

What does THAT tell us?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

In the "old days" you had to calm folks down. Now we gotta pump em up?

What does THAT tell us?

I must live in the old days.

[n david]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

It does not matter how loud your shout is or high and often you jump or flail or dance. The notion that your adversary reacts to your shout is absurd.

Glad you weren't with the Israelites when Joshua or Gideon led them.

"""And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.

So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city."""

"""When I blow with a trumpet, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon.

And the three companies blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and held the lamps in their left hands, and the trumpets in their right hands to blow withal: and they cried, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon."""

I don't believe Paul and Silas were whispering songs and praise when the jail was shaken, the doors opened and chains fell off.

"""And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them. And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed."""

That's some praise!

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by n david

Glad you weren't with the Israelites when Joshua or Gideon led them.

"""And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.

So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city."""

"""When I blow with a trumpet, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon.

And the three companies blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and held the lamps in their left hands, and the trumpets in their right hands to blow withal: and they cried, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon."""

I don't believe Paul and Silas were whispering songs and praise when the jail was shaken, the doors opened and chains fell off.

"""And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them. And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed."""

That's some praise!

Brother NDavid, I used all three of these scripture settings Sunday night! We had an old fashioned Pentecostal shout down Sunday night. I don't think you need to shout it out every service, but I worry for Pentecostals that NEVER shout it out.

Some nights the preacher comes to the pulpit with a shout in a his spirit. It's the preacher's Godly duty to obey the Spirit.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I would have walked out when you announce your title!! ok ok I don't know exactly what you preached. But going from the title I bet you had a lot of shout during service. This is the kind of thing I oppose. It does not matter how loud your shout is or high and often you jump or flail or dance. (1)The notion that your adversary reacts to your shout is absurd. (2) The notion that anything happens based entirely on our degree of praise takes away from "by HIS stripes we were healed"!!!! Was not there a person healed just by a shadow passing over?? If that does not tell you something I guess we are not even close in stance. (3) It has always confused me when preachers pump and prime for demonstrative worship and say things like "if you want a miracle do this and such" and then turn around and preach the power of using the name of Jesus. I got news for ya ALL YOU NEED IS JESUS!!!!!

(1) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood... Praise and worship to God can indeed be an act of spiritual warfare. The pattern for this mindset is found in the Old Testament. We are to learn from the Old Testament and live in the New Testament.



(2) Praise and worship are expressions of faith. Faith without works is dead. Besides, no one ever suggests that the reason why God didn't do X, Y, and Z for you is because you didn't yell loud enough on that one Sunday night.

Still, "According to your faith be it unto you..." Praise and worship and even prayer are expressions of faith. Blind Bartimaeus did not sit by the road using mental telepathy to get the attention of Jesus. All we can do is pattern our selves and our actions off what we see in the Bible.



(3) Jehovah delivered the Israelites' enemies into their hands after a day's battle, but during that battle, the Israelites prevailed against their enemies only as Moses held his hands raised. When Moses got tired, Aaron and Hur supported Moses and helped him to keep his hands raised. Ever wonder why we raise our hands? Ever wonder why that at the altar, you will see some precious saints holding the hands up of a saint or sinner trying to pray through to breakthrough? Do you not realize that in those moments, spiritual battles are being fought?


The Bible is chock full of instances in the Old Testament that we can learn from and apply to our lives today as we live our lives under the Gospel of the New Covenant that God has made with mankind.