Apostoic worship??

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Joe,

Did you watch the video of the older couple dancing at NAYC? I think ndavid posted it early in this thread. If you haven't watched it, it's worth your 30 seconds to view it.

If you did see it, do you see anything wrong with their worship? If you do, please explain.

If you don't have a problem with their worship, then you'll need to explain the anti-demonstrative position you've taken on worship.

I preached Sunday night and my title was "When your shout is louder than your adversary"... so I think you know where I stand on the issue

I would have walked out when you announce your title!! ok ok I don't know exactly what you preached. But going from the title I bet you had a lot of shout during service. This is the kind of thing I oppose. It does not matter how loud your shout is or high and often you jump or flail or dance. The notion that your adversary reacts to your shout is absurd. The notion that anything happens based entirely on our degree of praise takes away from "by HIS stripes we were healed"!!!! Was not there a person healed just by a shadow passing over?? If that does not tell you something I guess we are not even close in stance. It has always confused me when preachers pump and prime for demonstrative worship and say things like "if you want a miracle do this and such" and then turn around and preach the power of using the name of Jesus. I got news for ya ALL YOU NEED IS JESUS!!!!!

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I would have walked out when you announce your title!! ok ok I don't know exactly what you preached. But going from the title I bet you had a lot of shout during service. This is the kind of thing I oppose. It does not matter how loud your shout is or high and often you jump or flail or dance. The notion that your adversary reacts to your shout is absurd. The notion that anything happens based entirely on our degree of praise takes away from "by HIS stripes we were healed"!!!! Was not there a person healed just by a shadow passing over?? If that does not tell you something I guess we are not even close in stance. It has always confused me when preachers pump and prime for demonstrative worship and say things like "if you want a miracle do this and such" and then turn around and preach the power of using the name of Jesus. I got news for ya ALL YOU NEED IS JESUS!!!!!

In the "old days" you had to calm folks down. Now we gotta pump em up?

What does THAT tell us?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

In the "old days" you had to calm folks down. Now we gotta pump em up?

What does THAT tell us?

I must live in the old days.

[n david]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

It does not matter how loud your shout is or high and often you jump or flail or dance. The notion that your adversary reacts to your shout is absurd.

Glad you weren't with the Israelites when Joshua or Gideon led them.

"""And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.

So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city."""

"""When I blow with a trumpet, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon.

And the three companies blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and held the lamps in their left hands, and the trumpets in their right hands to blow withal: and they cried, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon."""

I don't believe Paul and Silas were whispering songs and praise when the jail was shaken, the doors opened and chains fell off.

"""And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them. And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed."""

That's some praise!

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by n david

Glad you weren't with the Israelites when Joshua or Gideon led them.

"""And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the LORD hath given you the city.

So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city."""

"""When I blow with a trumpet, I and all that are with me, then blow ye the trumpets also on every side of all the camp, and say, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon.

And the three companies blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers, and held the lamps in their left hands, and the trumpets in their right hands to blow withal: and they cried, The sword of the LORD, and of Gideon."""

I don't believe Paul and Silas were whispering songs and praise when the jail was shaken, the doors opened and chains fell off.

"""And at midnight Paul and Silas prayed, and sang praises unto God: and the prisoners heard them. And suddenly there was a great earthquake, so that the foundations of the prison were shaken: and immediately all the doors were opened, and every one's bands were loosed."""

That's some praise!

Brother NDavid, I used all three of these scripture settings Sunday night! We had an old fashioned Pentecostal shout down Sunday night. I don't think you need to shout it out every service, but I worry for Pentecostals that NEVER shout it out.

Some nights the preacher comes to the pulpit with a shout in a his spirit. It's the preacher's Godly duty to obey the Spirit.

[JamesGlen]

Old fashion pentecost....just like recorded all throughout the book of Acts and in the Epistles.(right along side of how the New Testament tithing system works, and how we ought to glorify the building we meet In and call it God's house).


I've got to spin wilder than before! They probably didn't know what a "real" church meeting was like back then.

[TakingDominion]

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

Old fashion pentecost....just like recorded all throughout the book of Acts and in the Epistles.


I've got to spin wilder than before! They probably didn't know what a "real" church meeting was like back then.

Hey bro, are you writing these responses out on your animal skin scrolls?

I think if Paul and Silas walked into a Sunday night Pentecostal worship service, they might say, "hey this reminds me of that old jail cell!"

He set me free yes He set me free. He broke the bonds of prison for me. I'm glory bound my Jesus to see for glory to God He set me free!

I was GLAD when they said unto me, let us go into the house of the Lord.

O MAGNIFY the Lord WITH me, let us EXALT His name together. I sought the Lord and he heard me and delivered me from all my fears!!!

[JamesGlen]

Originally Posted by TakingDominion

Hey bro, are you writing these responses out on your animal skin scrolls?

I think if Paul and Silas walked into a Sunday night Pentecostal worship service, they might say, "hey this reminds me of that old jail cell!"

He set me free yes He set me free. He broke the bonds of prison for me. I'm glory bound my Jesus to see for glory to God He set me free!

I was GLAD when they said unto me, let us go into the house of the Lord.

O MAGNIFY the Lord WITH me, let us EXALT His name together. I sought the Lord and he heard me and delivered me from all my fears!!!

Amen to the magnifying....


If they walked into some of our Sunday night services, they would look at us all the way most other denominations do, like we are a bunch of crazy nuts.

Maybe you believe Paul and Silas had spinning screaming freaking out fits, when they gave praise to our Lord?
Singing songs, lifting up praise etc is one thing....

As to your Old Testament Gods house verse by David, out of all 4 places in the Epistles in the new covenant writ, the house of God referred to the assembly of believers,(ecclessia) not a single one of the 4 refer to a glorified man made building (which no longer houses God btw). Why is that? Stephen the first martyr explained it.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

Amen to the magnifying....


If they walked into some of our Sunday night services, they would look at us all the way most other denominations do, like we are a bunch of crazy nuts.

Maybe you believe Paul and Silas had spinning screaming freaking out fits, when they gave praise to our Lord?
Singing songs, lifting up praise etc is one thing....

Do you rejoice in the Lord in a Biblical manner? Are you fervent in spirit?


Fervent prayer and worship:

Not slothful in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord; (Romans 12:11)

(fervent: zeō
Thayer's Definition:

1) to boil with heat, be hot
1a) used of water
1b) metaphorically
1b1) used of boiling anger, love, zeal, for what is good or bad etc.
1b2) fervent in spirit, said of zeal for what is good)

Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (James 5:16)

(effectual fervent: The Greek word (ἐνεργουμένη energoumenē) would be better rendered by the word energetic, which indeed is derived from it. The word properly refers to that which has power; which in its own nature is fitted to produce an effect. It is not so much that it actually does produce an effect, as that it is fitted to do it. This is the kind of prayer referred to here. It is not listless, indifferent, cold, lifeless, as if there were no vitality in it, or power, but that which is adapted to be efficient - earnest, sincere, hearty, persevering. - Barnes' Notes)

But let all those that put their trust in thee rejoice: let them ever shout for joy, because thou defendest them: let them also that love thy name be joyful in thee. (Psalm 5:11)

be joyful = ‛âlats
aw-lats'
A primitive root; to jump for joy, that is, exult: - be joyful, rejoice, triumph.

Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, ye righteous: and shout for joy, all ye that are upright in heart. (Psalm 32:11)

rejoice = gı̂yl gûl
gheel, gool
A primitive root; properly to spin around (under the influence of any violent emotion), that is, usually rejoice, or (as cringing) fear: - be glad, joy, be joyful, rejoice.

Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: (1Peter 1:8)

ye rejoice = agalliaō
ag-al-lee-ah'-o
properly to jump for joy, that is, exult: - be (exceeding) glad, with exceeding joy, rejoice (greatly).

[JoeBandy]

Originally Posted by JamesGlen

Amen to the magnifying....


If they walked into some of our Sunday night services, they would look at us all the way most other denominations do, like we are a bunch of crazy nuts.

Maybe you believe Paul and Silas had spinning screaming freaking out fits, when they gave praise to our Lord?
Singing songs, lifting up praise etc is one thing....

As to your Old Testament Gods house verse by David, out of all 4 places in the Epistles in the new covenant writ, the house of God referred to the assembly of believers,(ecclessia) not a single one of the 4 refer to a glorified man made building (which no longer houses God btw). Why is that? Stephen the first martyr explained it.

agree