Apostoic worship??

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The praise which was being conducted in the early church is found in Psalm 150:4. 1 Corinthians 14:26 gives the order of those who led the congregation in singing, and the word.

The earliest believers were Jews and I am sure they would have responded in praise and worship on the Day of Pentecost in the same way they had already practiced.

For them, as it us for us, the GOD of the OT is the GOD and SAVIOR of the NT.

Jehovah has become our Salvation. Jehovah Saves. Jesus.

[Esaias]

BTW, I agree there is a lot of hype going on. We got better music and worse marriages, more polished preaching and more blatant immorality, higher education and lower standards, and deeper feeling and shallower consecration. Padded pews and no callouses on the knees.

Probably time for a shakeup...

[n david]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I guess my argument is more about it being used to gauge a service or sincerity or spirituality. About the necessity of such demonstration to control a move from God. IMO it has become more about this hype than anything. There is no substance and these acts of worship are more emotionalism being pumped from a popular music leader or minister. This is why tons of individuals have that low on Tuesday morning or Friday night and feel like they "jussstttt gotta make it till Sunday till I can be in church. This is Churchism and emotionalism.

I might be inclined to agree with the parts in bold. Some have made it about emotionalism. Does that discount the shout or dancing or leaping for joy? Absolutely not.

I have had more than a few times where praise brought me through a trial or attack of the enemy.

Again, you are welcome to praise God as you wish - face down and prone, but do not tell me that I cannot be as demonstrative as David in my praise. Do not claim that the only way to meet God is face down and prone. Do not insult and make light of the demonstrative praise which brought me out of valleys and through trials in my life.

There is no scripture stating "Thou shalt only praise God face down and prone." There are scriptures about clapping, dancing, shouting, singing, crying out, leaping, etc.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Esaias

BTW, I agree there is a lot of hype going on. We got better music and worse marriages, more polished preaching and more blatant immorality, higher education and lower standards, and deeper feeling and shallower consecration. Padded pews and no callouses on the knees.

Probably time for a shakeup...

I agree.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I would have walked out when you announce your title!! ok ok I don't know exactly what you preached. But going from the title I bet you had a lot of shout during service. This is the kind of thing I oppose. It does not matter how loud your shout is or high and often you jump or flail or dance. (1)The notion that your adversary reacts to your shout is absurd. (2) The notion that anything happens based entirely on our degree of praise takes away from "by HIS stripes we were healed"!!!! Was not there a person healed just by a shadow passing over?? If that does not tell you something I guess we are not even close in stance. (3) It has always confused me when preachers pump and prime for demonstrative worship and say things like "if you want a miracle do this and such" and then turn around and preach the power of using the name of Jesus. I got news for ya ALL YOU NEED IS JESUS!!!!!

(1) For we wrestle not against flesh and blood... Praise and worship to God can indeed be an act of spiritual warfare. The pattern for this mindset is found in the Old Testament. We are to learn from the Old Testament and live in the New Testament.



(2) Praise and worship are expressions of faith. Faith without works is dead. Besides, no one ever suggests that the reason why God didn't do X, Y, and Z for you is because you didn't yell loud enough on that one Sunday night.

Still, "According to your faith be it unto you..." Praise and worship and even prayer are expressions of faith. Blind Bartimaeus did not sit by the road using mental telepathy to get the attention of Jesus. All we can do is pattern our selves and our actions off what we see in the Bible.



(3) Jehovah delivered the Israelites' enemies into their hands after a day's battle, but during that battle, the Israelites prevailed against their enemies only as Moses held his hands raised. When Moses got tired, Aaron and Hur supported Moses and helped him to keep his hands raised. Ever wonder why we raise our hands? Ever wonder why that at the altar, you will see some precious saints holding the hands up of a saint or sinner trying to pray through to breakthrough? Do you not realize that in those moments, spiritual battles are being fought?


The Bible is chock full of instances in the Old Testament that we can learn from and apply to our lives today as we live our lives under the Gospel of the New Covenant that God has made with mankind.

[aegsm76]

JB - I think a better question would have been does God approve of this kind of worship.
Well, a friend of ours 16-17 year old daughter started praising God with the shout and dance on Thursday night of Peak in Tulsa.
She has been on chemo drugs for over 3 years due to rheumatoid arthritis and had just been diagnosed this year with a partially paralyzed stomach.
Well, somewhere in her praising and worship (which was amazing that she could even do, as she has had trouble even walking and eating solid food), God healed her.
Now, you just go tell her that God does not approve of her shouting and dancing...

[n david]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

JB - I think a better question would have been does God approve of this kind of worship.
Well, a friend of ours 16-17 year old daughter started praising God with the shout and dance on Thursday night of Peak in Tulsa.
She has been on chemo drugs for over 3 years due to rheumatoid arthritis and had just been diagnosed this year with a partially paralyzed stomach.
Well, somewhere in her praising and worship (which was amazing that she could even do, as she has had trouble even walking and eating solid food), God healed her.
Now, you just go tell her that God does not approve of her shouting and dancing...

Hey, I saw a video on FB of her giving that testimony! God is good!

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by JoeBandy

I guess my argument is more about it being used to gauge a service or sincerity or spirituality. About the necessity of such demonstration to control a move from God. IMO it has become more about this hype than anything. There is no substance and these acts of worship are more emotionalism being pumped from a popular music leader or minister. This is why tons of individuals have that low on Tuesday morning or Friday night and feel like they "jussstttt gotta make it till Sunday till I can be in church. This is Churchism and emotionalism.

I think the problem might be a lack of daily devotions, if you don't have a daily time of prayer, bible reading, and worship, then you are going to drag in service to service.

[Scott Pitta]

How we worship is influenced by our culture. Hmong Pentecostals worship differently than Russian believers in St. Petersburg. Pentecostals in Guatemala worship differently that Wisconsin Pentecostals.

People respond to the move of God differently. Each individual is unique. Our personal response is also unique.

I do not judge how people respond to God. I notice it, as a cultural anthropologist might observe it. But I do not condemn different responses to the moving of the Spirit.

[n david]

Back in the 90s, I watch a few videos of Bro. Billy Cole in Ethiopia.

I remember one scene in particular where the churches were welcoming the missionaries and evangelists to Ethiopia. There was a long line of local believers singing and leaping as they sang. It was very enthusiastic and demonstrative.

In other portions during the service, I saw several prostrate on the ground. Others leaping for joy. The praise and prayers from the crowd was a deafening roar.

I don't believe I saw anyone running, though the size of the crowd was such that there wasn't room for running.