Submission? Or Power and Control?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

And there we have it: The culture view, the uncut hair view and the veil covering view.

15 pages later, which could have been accomplished on page one.

Now we don't have to argue about this with ILG anymore. Done. Seems easier just to put out the information instead of taking several pages of insults to get there.

Thanks, guys!

Indeed! The reason I left this forum for the most part, even though I made many friends here is because every time I opened my mouth in discussion, because some disagreed, I was insulted, attacked, accused, what-have-you. That is not Christian behavior. People who are secure in their position have no need to insult others as they only want to lead others in the right way. This ia also the reason I only come here occasionally-because I only want to put up with so much abuse....and I do it only for those who were suffering like I was and looking for answers to many questions.

[Amanah]

Originally Posted by ILG

Indeed! The reason I left this forum for the most part, even though I made many friends here is because every time I opened my mouth in discussion, because some disagreed, I was insulted, attacked, accused, what-have-you. That is not Christian behavior. People who are secure in their position have no need to insult others as they only want to lead others in the right way. This ia also the reason I only come here occasionally-because I only want to put up with so much abuse....and I do it only for those who were suffering like I was and looking for answers to many questions.

I don't think the intent of people is to personally insult you. I think many find you personable and charming and love for you to be here. What people are objecting to is what they perceive as your attacking the UPC because of bitterness you feel towards that org. I think you know from many years of posting on this forum that standards elicit a strong response. So when you constantly post standards threads you must know what you are getting into.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Amanah

I don't think the intent of people is to personally insult you. I think many find you personable and charming and love for you to be here. What people are objecting to is what they perceive as your attacking the UPC because of bitterness you feel towards that org. I think you know from many years of posting on this forum that standards elicit a strong response. So when you constantly post standards threads you must know what you are getting into.

Yes, I do know what I am getting into, which is why I limit it to what I feel I am capable of doing and/or defending.

Here is the thing....I don't attack anyone personally here. I write about ideas and open discussion about those ideas. Those who disagree attack me personally. It's simply uncalled for and that is what PO is pointing out and I am glad she is because it's hard to point out when you are the one being attacked and insulted. What I ask for is open and honest discussion without the nastiness. It is possible.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by ILG

Yes, I do know what I am getting into, which is why I limit it to what I feel I am capable of doing and/or defending.

Here is the thing....I don't attack anyone personally here. I write about ideas and open discussion about those ideas. Those who disagree attack me personally. It's simply uncalled for and that is what PO is pointing out and I am glad she is because it's hard to point out when you are the one being attacked and insulted. What I ask for is open and honest discussion without the nastiness. It is possible.

ILG - Let me first say that I do not mind debating with those that have different ideas than I have.
However, when someone seems to only post things that are "hot buttons" , constantly is on the opposite side of what many people here believe, is constantly bashing a certain org that many here belong to and seems to have some bitterness in their heart over said org, than I see no point in debating.
Now I know that you cannot get the full measure of a person through this medium, however, a certain amount of spirit and attitude do come through.
Since you seem to spend a large amount of your time outside of here posting anti-UPC stances, I have to consider that.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

ILG - Let me first say that I do not mind debating with those that have different ideas than I have.
However, when someone seems to only post things that are "hot buttons" , constantly is on the opposite side of what many people here believe, is constantly bashing a certain org that many here belong to and seems to have some bitterness in their heart over said org, than I see no point in debating.
Now I know that you cannot get the full measure of a person through this medium, however, a certain amount of spirit and attitude do come through.
Since you seem to spend a large amount of your time outside of here posting anti-UPC stances, I have to consider that.

That's fine. No one said you have to debate me. Choosing not to debate isn't the same as attacking and insulting. I wanted to add though, that I post about "hot button" issues because they affected me deeply and I know they affect others deeply as well. That's why I write on them. I also have a few current UPC members on my facebook group (Breaking Out) that dress conservatively and are happy doing so. They seem balanced and largely happy with their stance and views. We discuss issues with respect. My issue is not with how people choose to dress and live but with what people believe about how they choose to dress and live and, most importantly, if they feel that others are going to hell if they have a different opinion and they cannot treat them well. I have many current UPC people who are friends on my timeline. I respect their space and they respect mine. I write about these issues for those who want to think about and discuss them and there are always those here that do. If what I do is seen as "bashing" that is not my intent, but I do have the right to write and discuss my views as long as that is done respectfully and I do my best to be as respectful as possible.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ILG

Yes, I do know what I am getting into, which is why I limit it to what I feel I am capable of doing and/or defending.

Here is the thing....I don't attack anyone personally here. I write about ideas and open discussion about those ideas. Those who disagree attack me personally. It's simply uncalled for and that is what PO is pointing out and I am glad she is because it's hard to point out when you are the one being attacked and insulted. What I ask for is open and honest discussion without the nastiness. It is possible.

Sis, did Jesus, and John the Baptist call the pharisees serpents, a brood of vipers, the children of Satan? Matthew 3:7, Matthew 12:34, Matthew 23:33, Luke 3:7, John 8:44. Jesus tells the pharisees that their father was the devil due to the lies they spoke. Jesus is referring to their false teachings. Jesus called them blind leaders of the blind, that they were to be disregarded. The Apostle Paul called his opposition disguised just like Satan, as an angel of light, therefore his ministers were disguised as ministers of righteousness. Paul repeats Jesus' idea that these false leaders' end would be destruction. Same as the blind leading other blind ones into a ditch. Jesus was corrected and warned by His disciples when they pointed out that His parable was offending the pharisees, Matthew 15:12.

Insults, attacks? Seriously?

No, Sister, if you were facing off with the apostles, John the Baptist, Jesus, and Paul, you may be shocked at what you would hear.

Elijah didn't preach a sweet love message to the prophets of Baal.

The Proverbs still contain Proverbs 18:6.

Hey, you were the one who said God doesn't change.

Romans 16:17 has the apostle urging us to consider carefully those who teach contrary to doctrine. The KJV tells us that they are to be marked, watched carefully.

Personal attacks?

You mean if an Apostolic points out that an ex-Pentecostal is posting here solely to discourage the young, and neophyte, they are being personally attacked?

Sister, it is Apostolic friends forum. FRIENDS not foes.

So, if I went over to a Sedevacantist forum should I expect a foot rub?

Reality is refreshing for those who are brave enough to embrace it.