Submission? Or Power and Control?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Esaias

I've never heard it in any UPC, ALJC, or independent church I've been to or been a member of. Never even heard of it until these forums.

I've heard some good ones come over the pulpit. I've been sitting on a platform where it was testified. That a sister laid her hair on the altar and asked God to heal her daughter. Daughter was healed, I make sure I don't disrupt anyone's church family. If they believe that, then the minister and I will discuss it in private. But for me to get up in anyone's pulpit and preach against what they all believe is ludicrous.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I've heard some good ones come over the pulpit. I've been sitting on a platform where it was testified. That a sister laid her hair on the altar and asked God to heal her daughter. Daughter was healed, I make sure I don't disrupt anyone's church family. If they believe that, then the minister and I will discuss it in private. But for me to get up in anyone's pulpit and preach against what they all believe is ludicrous.

Heard an old district presbyter testify about a young boy who was healed when he (the presbyter) laid on top of him. He said God told him to do it.

*cringe*

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

Heard an old district presbyter testify about a young boy who was healed when he (the presbyter) laid on top of him. He said God told him to do it.

*cringe*

Thank you.

I had a mouthful of chewed banana when I got to the "cringe" portion of the post. You can imagine the rest.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by n david

Heard an old district presbyter testify about a young boy who was healed when he (the presbyter) laid on top of him. He said God told him to do it.

*cringe*

I have heard of that before.

Where a minister did exactly as the verse stated.

Then he lay down on the child's body, placing his mouth on the child's mouth, his eyes on the child's eyes, and his hands on the child's hands. And as he stretched out on him, the child's body began to grow warm again!

[ILG]

Originally Posted by n david

Heard an old district presbyter testify about a young boy who was healed when he (the presbyter) laid on top of him. He said God told him to do it.

*cringe*

Who would you be to preach against what people believe? (To quote Benincasa)

But, yeah, putting it out here isn't wrong and saying you disagree isn't wrong.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

instantaneous time?

Have no idea what this means.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I've heard some good ones come over the pulpit. I've been sitting on a platform where it was testified. That a sister laid her hair on the altar and asked God to heal her daughter. Daughter was healed, I make sure I don't disrupt anyone's church family. If they believe that, then the minister and I will discuss it in private. But for me to get up in anyone's pulpit and preach against what they all believe is ludicrous.

Oh, so like ILG, you had this experience. Listen, we didn't know anything about RR, never heard her name - YET - we were taught to put faith in the healing power of our hair and that our submission gave that to us.

Once in prayer, I was crying out to God, "See, I haven't cut my hair." In that moment, I realized it was about my love and faith in Jesus Christ. My hair wasn't what would get me through that trial. I never focused on my hair ever again after that time in prayer.

What I am saying is that I know a lot of women who don't cut their hair, however they can't explain why because it doesn't make sense. It has always been confusing to them. They thought their walk was about Acts 2:38. And especially a life with Jesus Christ having the indwelling spirit.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Have no idea what this means.

It has nothing to do with our discussion.

The Greek word means instantly, or instantaneous time.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Oh, so like ILG, you had this experience. Listen, we didn't know anything about RR, never heard her name - YET - we were taught to put faith in the healing power of our hair and that our submission gave that to us.

Who is WE?

We weren't taught about using one's hair as a talismen. I can find noting in the UPCI ministerial manual advocating talismen hair. UPC has no official position on a woman's hair being able to contact angelic beings. Therefore if someone taught you that and you believed it, well, I'm sorry to hear this. Yet, I'm happy that you no longer believe that when a bell rings an angel gets his wings.

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Once in prayer, I was crying out to God, "See, I haven't cut my hair." In that moment, I realized it was about my love and faith in Jesus Christ. My hair wasn't what would get me through that trial. I never focused on my hair ever again after that time in prayer.




What I am saying is that I know a lot of women who don't cut their hair, however they can't explain why because it doesn't make sense. It has always been confusing to them. They thought their walk was about Acts 2:38. And especially a life with Jesus Christ having the indwelling spirit.

Sis, I have met people who can't explain eschatology, why they believe what they believe. People who can't explain the godhead, can't explain why Jesus is who He said He is. People who had been in the church longer than I've been alive who believe is some far out unbiblical stuff. Yet, all that means is that are wrong, and never felt a need to correct their wrongness. Also they are wrong but sincere about their wrongness, but never understood why they are wrong.

I knew people who would pray for a person's home and smear olive oil all over the lintels and window sills. I stopped a couple and asked them to show me where they found that exercise in the Bible.

People are people, and in religion, no matter what the religion may be, people are content to just sponge up what comes over the podium unquestioned. People who sit for years on a pew and don't believe in some things their preacher is preaching to them. But whose fault is that?

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I've heard some good ones come over the pulpit. I've been sitting on a platform where it was testified. That a sister laid her hair on the altar and asked God to heal her daughter. Daughter was healed, I make sure I don't disrupt anyone's church family. If they believe that, then the minister and I will discuss it in private. But for me to get up in anyone's pulpit and preach against what they all believe is ludicrous.

Do you preach against the trinity? Thought so.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by ILG

Do you preach against the trinity? Thought so.

Sis, the brother who I'd be preaching for would also preach against the trinity.

So, you either missed my important point I was making, or feel that I should of refuted the sister after she sat down in her pew with my pulpit time?

OK, I'll give this a try.

I will be in the pulpit for whatever time the preacher gives me, or if I am granted liberty, it's open. But the pastor, he will be with the people for more hours, days, years, and have quality time with his people. I don't. So, if I go and get the idea I'm going to school these people on how I think hair being draped over a sick daughter isn't Biblical. She and HER church family will shut me off like an alarm clock in the wee hours of the morning. The minister needs to speak with the minister. Because if you do it over the pulpit, when you were invited to preach. Then you feel the need to bring something new an exciting to his people. You may never see it, but the pastor who is sitting behind you as you slice some revelation, is showing is alram to his people.
His face looks like a mule eating briars, and your whole new and exciting view is being ignored.