Submission? Or Power and Control?

[Amanah]

If there is false doctrine being taught, then it is good to see what the bible actually teaches and hold fast to that, and refute error.

But to say that because a few are teaching incorrectly that a whole organization should be discounted is cutting to deeply with possible serious repercussions, and possibly souls at stake.

There are people on this thread who have been hurt by the UPC and yet have the personal integrity to see that souls are at stake and are putting their hurt aside to be cautious as to not cause a brother or sister to fall.

There are others who seem to have no care for repercussions and are self centered in their concern.

I am not here to defend an organization per se. I spent the majority of my walk with the Lord in an independent Apostolic Church, before joining a UPC church. Let me just say up front UPC is very moderate in comparison.

My strong feelings on certain subjects are not because I want to hurt people's feelings, or defend an organization, it's because I have a concern for people losing their footing and finding themselves confused or even lost.

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by Amanah

If there is false doctrine being taught, then it is good to see what the bible actually teaches and hold fast to that, and refute error.

But to say that because a few are teaching incorrectly that a whole organization should be discounted is cutting to deeply with possible serious repercussions, and possibly souls at stake.

There are people on this thread who have been hurt by the UPC and yet have the personal integrity to see that souls are at stake and are putting their hurt aside to be cautious as to not cause a brother or sister to fall.

There are others who seem to have no care for repercussions and are self centered in their concern.

I am not here to defend an organization per se. I spent the majority of my walk with the Lord in an independent Apostolic Church, before joining a UPC church. Let me just say up front UPC is very moderate in comparison.

My strong feelings on certain subjects are not because I want to hurt people's feelings, or defend an organization, it's because I have a concern for people losing their footing and finding themselves confused or even lost.

[phareztamar]

Originally Posted by Amanah

If there is false doctrine being taught, then it is good to see what the bible actually teaches and hold fast to that, and refute error.

But to say that because a few are teaching incorrectly that a whole organization should be discounted is cutting to deeply with possible serious repercussions, and possibly souls at stake.

There are people on this thread who have been hurt by the UPC and yet have the personal integrity to see that souls are at stake and are putting their hurt aside to be cautious as to not cause a brother or sister to fall.

There are others who seem to have no care for repercussions and are self centered in their concern.

I am not here to defend an organization per se. I spent the majority of my walk with the Lord in an independent Apostolic Church, before joining a UPC church. Let me just say up front UPC is very moderate in comparison.

My strong feelings on certain subjects are not because I want to hurt people's feelings, or defend an organization, it's because I have a concern for people losing their footing and finding themselves confused or even lost.

Great post. I see Christ in you.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Amanah

If there is false doctrine being taught, then it is good to see what the bible actually teaches and hold fast to that, and refute error.

But to say that because a few are teaching incorrectly that a whole organization should be discounted is cutting to deeply with possible serious repercussions, and possibly souls at stake.

There are people on this thread who have been hurt by the UPC and yet have the personal integrity to see that souls are at stake and are putting their hurt aside to be cautious as to not cause a brother or sister to fall.

There are others who seem to have no care for repercussions and are self centered in their concern.

I am not here to defend an organization per se. I spent the majority of my walk with the Lord in an independent Apostolic Church, before joining a UPC church. Let me just say up front UPC is very moderate in comparison.

My strong feelings on certain subjects are not because I want to hurt people's feelings, or defend an organization, it's because I have a concern for people losing their footing and finding themselves confused or even lost.

When "an organization" enables a false doctrine and doesn't come out and speak against it while allowing it's most well known ministers to spread the false doctrine then that is a sign to look deeper at all the things taught by such "an organization". One sin doesn't ruin an organization but it should cause caution.

As for people getting confused and losing their footing. Of course that is a concern. But be aware, the things you are doing and saying and defending may also cause be a cause and stumbling block for some. There is no one size fits all approach and even the noblest actions can offend and act as a stumbling block for certain people.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by jfrog

When "an organization" enables a false doctrine and doesn't come out and speak against it while allowing it's most well known ministers to spread the false doctrine then that is a sign to look deeper at all the things taught by such "an organization". One sin doesn't ruin an organization but it should cause caution.

They don't enable, there are many ministers who are card carrying members who don't agree with the teaching of hair being a talismen. Again, there is nothing ever written in the Forward or the Pentecostal Herald concerning this issue, pro or con.

Originally Posted by jfrog

As for people getting confused and losing their footing. Of course that is a concern. But be aware, the things you are doing and saying and defending may also cause be a cause and stumbling block for some. There is no one size fits all approach and even the noblest actions can offend and act as a stumbling block for certain people.

Therefore someone has to do something, and they do. Ministers talk with ministers all the time concerning different subjects. So, we can't broad brush a whole organization with a teaching that isn't "officially" stated in their material. As far as people getting off track and confused because of a teaching or discussion concerning a teaching. Then we pray for their church eldership to be able to land their plane. Forums are the utmost worst place to get council or substitute for real face to face ministerial interaction. ILG and myself should never be taken as a replacement for the local assembly. Our banter should always be processed through the church leadership, prayer, and those who are in personal reach. I have young daughters, and I would be none too friendly to find out if they were on this forum (or anything like it) having "private counseling" by a self appointed "deliverance minister" or Emma Boatstrangeler's good twin, ILG.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Amanah

If there is false doctrine being taught, then it is good to see what the bible actually teaches and hold fast to that, and refute error.

But to say that because a few are teaching incorrectly that a whole organization should be discounted is cutting to deeply with possible serious repercussions, and possibly souls at stake.

There are people on this thread who have been hurt by the UPC and yet have the personal integrity to see that souls are at stake and are putting their hurt aside to be cautious as to not cause a brother or sister to fall.

There are others who seem to have no care for repercussions and are self centered in their concern.

I am not here to defend an organization per se. I spent the majority of my walk with the Lord in an independent Apostolic Church, before joining a UPC church. Let me just say up front UPC is very moderate in comparison.

My strong feelings on certain subjects are not because I want to hurt people's feelings, or defend an organization, it's because I have a concern for people losing their footing and finding themselves confused or even lost.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by Amanah

If there is false doctrine being taught, then it is good to see what the bible actually teaches and hold fast to that, and refute error.

Seems to me then, what I posted was a good idea. That was my thinking in the beginning.