Is the Son eternal?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Iron_Bladder

My point is that you Oneness types (as I used to be)

If you used to be onenesss, then according to the things you are saying about oneness, you NEVER UNDERSTOOD ONENESS properly at all. You were not alone. MANY oneness people do not understand oneness properly.

...deny that the Son is truly divine, by denying his divine attributes as the Son.

I already addressed this and I do NOT deny the Son is divine. The person of the Son ius the same person of the Father. AS FATHER he created all things. So since He is the same person as SON, then the Son is divine. If that messes up your accusations, then admit it, but do not be so proud that you continue claiming you are correct when you have this thing totally upsidedown. That is the same thing as lying.

Like most cults you do claim that 'Jesus is God,' Mormons do claim this but imply that he's just a man who'se been elevated to Godhood. JW's a more subtle now and will claim that Jesus is the might God, however they still deny that he's the Almighty God. Oneness is really just another form of subordinationism, for only the father who indwlls the Son is truly God in Oneness, the Son is eternal, isn't creator, isn't omnipresent and so isn't truly Yahweh God, which is why you need ot discover to be saved.

Anyone who says our belief makes the Son not divine while we claim the PERSON of the Son is the same person of the Father, and is the ONLY divinity that exists, and who created all things, is completely off their bean.

Now, why will you not answer me??? Is RED an apple?

Originally Posted by mfblume

I already addressed this and I do NOT deny the Son is divine.

Yahweh God is eternal, creator, omnipresent etc and he cannot exist without possessing his own divine attributes. So when you say that the Son is divine, are you affirming that the SON is an eternal Son (John 17:5), is the Son the creator (Hebrews 1:2) and is the Son omnipresent (John 14:23)? I don’t think that you are, as you really claim that Jesus as the Father possesses divine attributes but that Jesus as the Son doesn’t. Like the Mormons and JWs you claim that Jesus is divine, but like them, you also use words to hide your true subordinationism.

So to a Mormon, Jesus (the Son) is divine, but all this means is that he is just a man who has now become a god. To a JW Jesus (the Son) is divine and JWs will openly admit to this if you quote Colossians 2:9 at them, but they redefine the word divine to mean that Jesus (the Son) is the mighty God but Not the almighty God – do you see how they deceive with their false definition of the term ‘divine’ which is less than a higher grade of Jehovah’s deity.

Finally, Oneness Pentecostals also claim that Jesus is divine, but to them it’s the Father part of Jesus which is divine and which possesses divine attributes (as the Father). Jesus the Father indwells Jesus the Son, you can genuinely say and genuinely believe say Jesus is divine, but this only ascribes divinity to the Father part of Jesus which indwells the Son. For like your subordinationists buddies you also claim that the Son isn’t eternal, isn’t omnipresent and isn’t YHWH …. He’s just a man in whom Yahweh (who is the Father) comes to indwell.

I can prove this, M F Blume has said (quote): 'I already addressed this and I do NOT deny the Son is divine.' If he truly believes this then he won't deny that the Son being divine possessess Yahweh's divine attributes. So Mr Blume tell me please is the Son eternal (eternal Son - John 17:5 & 24), is the Son omnipresent (an omnipresent Son - John 14:23), is the Son creator (Hebrews 1:2). In your theology no, for you don't 'honour the Son equally to the Father' as John 5:23 commands you becasue to you the Son isn't Yahweh - your really just a subordinationst who only honours the Father alone as Yahweh God and so is the only possessor of divine attributes in your theology.