He has it all figured out! Thank God for Google!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

Speaking of "deflecting," you never did answer this:



Well?

This post you made, comparing the gospels written to "certain believers" to O.T. stories is what started this whole thing.

Now your misunderstanding has caused you to deflect the verses on Mark 13 and John 20 I asked you to answer.

We clearly see what you were intending to say.

Now, if you can prove that "I say unto all" of Mark 13:37 is a select group of believers and the verse in John 20:31 is not intended directly for you, you have a convert to preterism.

If not, you are a stumped preterist....for life.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

This post you made, comparing the gospels written to "certain believers" to O.T. stories is what started this whole thing.

Now your misunderstanding has caused you to deflect the verses on Mark 13 and John 20 I asked you to answer.

We clearly see what you were intending to say.

Now, if you can prove that "I say unto all" of Mark 13 is a select group of believers and the verse in John 20:31 is not intended directly for you, you have a convert to preterism.

If not, you are a stumped preterist....for life.

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

This post you made, comparing the gospels written to "certain believers" to O.T. stories is what started this whole thing.

Now your misunderstanding has caused you to deflect the verses on Mark 13 and John 20 I asked you to answer.

We clearly see what you were intending to say.

Now, if you can prove that "I say unto all" of Mark 13:37 is a select group of believers and the verse in John 20:31 is not intended directly for you, you have a convert to preterism.

If not, you are a stumped preterist....for life.

You still cannot answer your own question on John 20?

Wow...

[Sean]

Originally Posted by TK Burk

You still cannot answer your own question on John 20?

Wow...

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


Me!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.


Me!

John was written to ME!

And I am very glad!

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Sean

This post you made, comparing the gospels written to "certain believers" to O.T. stories is what started this whole thing.

Now your misunderstanding has caused you to deflect the verses on Mark 13 and John 20 I asked you to answer.

We clearly see what you were intending to say.

Now, if you can prove that "I say unto all" of Mark 13:37 is a select group of believers and the verse in John 20:31 is not intended directly for you, you have a convert to preterism.

If not, you are a stumped preterist....for life.

TK, if you prove to me that these 2 verse of these 2 gospels were not written or spoken to me and you, then I will be a preterist.

C'mon, What do you have to lose?

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Sean

TK, if you prove to me that these 2 verse of these 2 gospels were not written or spoken to me and you, then I will be a preterist.

C'mon, What do you have to lose?

Ok, here you go.

In context, the audience that heard Jesus speak the words in Mark 13:37, would be those to whom it was spoken. We find the identity of this audience here:

Mark 13:3-5
3....And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately,
4....Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?
5....And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

So, the ones to whom it was said was Peter, James, John, and Andrew. Since its message is specific to the men mentioned, then the "I say unto all" would be to the people (all) that would be alive during the time of Peter, James, John, and Andrew. That's book, chapter, and verse.

Again, that does not mean future believers cannot glean from what is said there. But unless you believe Peter, James, John, and Andrew is still alive awaiting Mark 13's fulfillment, then this was To them, not us.


Concerning John 20, we see the audience to whom Jesus addressed His remarks is the following:

John 20:26....And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.

So, the audience included Thomas and the other Apostles and a number of disciples. Again, that is book, chapter, and verse.

Now you asked about John 20:30. To keep it in context, let's add its accompanying scripture.

John 20:30-31
30....And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book:
31....But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

The reason I asked why John 20:30-31 is worded as it is, is because it is one area where the Apostle John added his commentary. Another area is found in the very next chapter of John. If you pay attention, you'll see it is worded very similarly to John 20:30.

John 21:25....And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

Now, I'm guessing you do not believe there will be so many books written in the future about "many other things" Jesus did that the earth will not be able to contain them. So, we can safely say this was not written TO us (future fulfillment), but FOR us (in the past for later gleaning).

So, to answer your John 20 question: I see John 20 as a great example of what I said to you about how the Bible is "not written TO us but FOR us." Why I say this is because John 20:26 was written TO those specific disciples. That's what the Bible says. But the commentary in John 20:30-31 was written FOR the biblical growth of those who would later read it.

[mfblume]

Hey Sean, was this written TO and FOR us?

Genesis 6:14 KJV Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

(Watch the lack of a direct answer).

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hey Sean, was this written TO and FOR us?

Genesis 6:14 KJV Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

(Watch the lack of a direct answer).

Answer mine.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Answer mine.

Sean, here is the man you said you defeated in debate.

How come you hadn't answered his post to you?